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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminism is over... according to women

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enimmead · 18/10/2012 10:37

www.express.co.uk/posts/view/352751/Feminism-is-over-say-women

Apparently feminism is too aggressive towards men and many women feel they've achieved equality over pay and skills. A quote from NetMums founder;

"Netmums founder Siobhan Freegard said: ?Modern women feel traditional feminism is no longer working for them as it?s aggressive, divisive and doesn?t take into account their personal circumstances."

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Frans1980 · 20/10/2012 00:21

Is it possible the article is actually feminist in disguise and the intent is to get feminists fired up and become more active?

Frans1980 · 20/10/2012 00:21

Just a thought.

HoneyDragon · 20/10/2012 10:45

No Fran. Because the majority of women appear to agree with it Sad

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stinimefdar · 22/10/2012 04:23

LOL these are the same gutter press who years ago announced 'feminism is dead'....seeing as they have no clue what feminism means its astonishing that they make this reactionary statement, specially at a time when womens rights in the UK are tiresomely under threat yet again or never been realised at all despite years of reformist campaigning so heres a lisy I amsure you can all add some of your own:- Women experience.......
Lower Pay than men
benefit cuts according to Fawcett Society research hitting women harder than men
Attack on Reproduction rights possible reduction in abortion upper time limit
loss of funding for birth control
highest unemployment of women in 30 odd years
rape and sexual assault on the increase
% of convictions for rape at its lowest for 35 years tough reporting rape has increased
spread of pornography universal
page 3 battle immovable
sexualization of very young girls
trafficking of women in UK on the increase
two women murdered each week by men known to them
fewer women than ever in top jobs
only one women in the Tory cabinet
girls and boys still subjected to sex tyranny through the pink/blue fundamentalism
less money invested in sport for girls
increased sexual harrassment of women students on University campuses by Uni-Lads
FB still willing to allow sexist and misogynistic pages to exist where anything racist or homophobic is taken down immediately
sexist jokes all the rage with rape being the major fun laughing target!
Misogyny and women blaming still rife
women still do 88% of the household chores and child care
Need I go on....

Yup guys no need for feminism
Those who diss Radical Feminism do so because they have no idea what it really means, only think they know and rant on and on about worn out tropes that all Radical feminist hate men...total rubbish and so cliched!

Any women who challenges the authodoxy of her female ascribed sex role is a radical..I think at some point in every womens life that authodoxy has been challenged....that equates with radical feminism.... a women or girl saying No to any unwanted demand from a male is an act of Radical feminism.....

Lifeissweet · 22/10/2012 04:42

'Are you a feminist' seems to be one of those questions that produces contradictory answers. People who are feminist often don't like or identify with the word. We see it all the time on here. Posters say: 'Of course, I'm not a feminist' but when asked: 'do you think women should be treated fairly, have equal pay and opportunities and be free from discrimination and abuse' they say 'of course!' So they are feminists.

Meaningless twaddle.

amillionyears · 22/10/2012 08:41

stinimefdar, I would like to challenge a few of them

sexualization of girls - surely it is mainly their mothers who do this?

fewer women than ever in top jobs - dont think they want them as much as they did
rape and sexual assault on the increase - some of that is going to be beacuse there are simply more population in this country. Not sure whether that would account for all of it or not
only one woman on the Tory cabinet - that might be representative of MPs in the Governement as a whole. Not that this is probably a good thing
highest unemployment of women in 30 odd years - again,more women than before are opting to SAHM, or at least go part time
some of the others I agree with.

PosieParker · 24/10/2012 18:18

FYI Stewie has written a great piece about this on her blog.

StewieGriffinsMom · 25/10/2012 14:01

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ianh2211 · 06/03/2015 07:56

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AKnickerfulOfMenace · 06/03/2015 08:02

Welcome to MN, Ian. We don't tend to bump old threads just to make disparaging comments, FYI.

GilbertBlytheWouldGetIt · 06/03/2015 08:09

Oh thank fuck, I thought it was an article in todays paper. Go away Ian, we deal with bores here on a tediously frequent basis.

rivetingrosie · 06/03/2015 14:25

This hilarious blog illustrates my feelings on this perfectly...

www.flareandfade.com/i-dont-need-feminism-because/

My favourite = "I don't need feminism because I want boys to like me"

mary24go · 07/03/2015 12:53

I think some of this comes from the way accusations of "Misogyny" are thrown around by some within feminism for any kind of criticism towards a woman for a position she may have on a subject or claim she has made even when the criticism is on the subject in question, has valid points and is obviously free of insults etc.

Even if the criticism is in error resorting to attacks and accusations just because it came from a man who dared to critically analyze a claim is poor methodology

I have personally had several experiences with this during discussion's on one form of media or another.

I can be discussing in detail anything from a gendered perspective of the social systems in Scandinavian countries to my views on Gaming or the recent #Gamergate issues with a man who honestly and politely disagrees with me and presents counter evidence and points. Only to see a wave of posts from feminists immediately posting accusations of Misogyny, sexism etc against him simply for doing so.

Obviously there are the male versions as well who are as bad or to be honest worse that troll at the same time so it becomes a battlefield.

Not only is it annoying because it makes a interesting debate on many issues a hate filled shouting match with no substance but it also detracts from actual acts of sexism or Misogyny.

It certainly turns me away from identifying as a feminist as it does many others and i find that very upsetting because feminism was always taught as being better than that when i was growing up.

The narrative that all "gamers" or at least all those in support of this #Gamergate thing that happened last year are "Misogynists" is a good example of what i mean.

Again a few male gamers are likely sending a lot of unpleasant things to women along with non gamers doing it but i have been a gamer for 10 years and never had any kind of harassment on this scale, typically it comes in the form of some guys being flirty or overly considerate and out of those i find the latter to be the most annoying and have a reputation for occasionally doing a bit of blue on blue to any new guys in our group who are unaware of my feelings on the matter.

On more occasions than i can count i have had to prove i am a woman to feminists who refused to believe me because i wanted discussion rather than pointless accusations and after i do i am either ignored or insulted as well.

Anyway i was searching google on this issue and clicked a link that brought me here so HI and sorry if i helped raise a dead thread but i only noticed the date on most of the posts after i had typed most of my post.

BriarRainbowshimmer · 07/03/2015 13:56

Lol "gamergate"

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