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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

On open letter to everyone who has ever called a feminist humourless

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AnnieLobeseder · 09/08/2012 18:29

Folks who are constantly the butt end of jokes are often humourless. It?s like the jokes vegetarians have to put up with, from the constant offers of a bacon buttie to the old chestnut ?but cows are vegetarian, so it?s okay to eat them?. Sigh. Sorry, it wasn?t even funny the first time, let alone the hundredth.

There?s a difference with jokes against women though. There?s a nasty, sharp edge to them. The whole, ?it?s funny because it?s true? is brought that much more into focus, because it really is true. Women really are expected to get back in to the kitchen and make their men a sandwich. There really are women out there who have two black eyes because they didn?t listen the first time. And those women are far more common than they should be. To quote the statistics on the Women?s Aid website*, ?At least 1 in 4 women experience domestic violence in their lifetime and between 1 in 8 and 1 in 10 women experience it annually. Less than half of all incidents are reported to the police, but they still receive one domestic violence call every minute in the UK?. So when you make a joke about domestic violence in a group which contains four women, at least one of them has probably experienced what you?re ?joking? about, and your joke is wounding her more than you can possibly imagine.

Women are constantly told, through the actions of society, through the media, through the jokes that you tell, that they are worth less than men. And if you hear something often enough, you start to believe it?s true. When you make some throwaway sexist comment to your wife, your sister, your daughter, and then cover it up with, ?Aw love, I was only winding you up!? she doesn?t believe you. Because she hears the same comments from everyone else, all the time, and so what she hears is that you don?t actually consider her to be as important, competent or worthy of respect as you. You are striking one more chip off her self-esteem, her belief that she has worth as human being. Why would you do that to a person you love?

From the more innocuous effect of sexism on a woman?s life, like the young woman who can?t walk home past the local pub or building site because of the heckling she receives, to the women passed over for a promotion she deserves because she might go off and have a baby, to the women who lose their lives, daily, as adults or a newborn babies, simply for the offence of being female, women are constantly under attack.

It isn?t funny. Feminists don?t need to lighten up. I will give most people who make sexist jokes or think feminists should get a sense of humour the benefit of the doubt. I will assume you probably don?t really understand the level of abuse, from the mildly annoying to the life-threatening, that women ? all women ? face every day. So I would urge you to change your material. Jokes at the expense of others really aren?t clever, and I suggest to you that the cheap laugh you get is not worth the pain it could cause.

Because if these jokers do understand it, and are still happy to join in and heap more abuse on women in the guise of humour, then that would display a dangerous level of cruelty I have trouble comprehending, and would make me even more scared for my daughters? future than I already am. There are already far too many men in this world who genuinely hold all women in utter contempt.

*www.womensaid.org.uk/domestic_violence_topic.asp?section=0001000100220041

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StewieGriffinsMom · 09/08/2012 18:39

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DameEnidSpink · 09/08/2012 18:44

Excellent post Annie Thanks

messyisthenewtidy · 09/08/2012 18:56

Esp. 3rd paragraph. DF always used to make such comments then pass them off as jokes saying I was too sensitive. But because his jokes reflected what I saw in the outside world I couldn't shrug them off.

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 09/08/2012 18:57

Fabulous, well said

MrGeresHamster · 09/08/2012 19:00

Here! Here!

AnnieLobeseder · 09/08/2012 19:14

Glad you like it. I've been away with family for a few days, got some crap like this from DB, along with cracking up laughing when I said I was trying to make sure my DDs got a better deal in the future Hmm. I needed to get the ire off my chest. It was very therapeutic.

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DancesWithWoolsEnPointe · 09/08/2012 19:34

Hear hear

TheKnackeredChef · 09/08/2012 19:38

Bravo!

Northernlurker · 09/08/2012 19:42

That is an excellent post and I totally agree. Rape isn't 'funny', being paid less thn a man for the same job isn't 'funny', being abused or mutilated or sold isn't 'funny'. It's not a sense of humour that's required, it's a sense of anger.

messyisthenewtidy · 09/08/2012 19:56

I wish I had a snappy way to put such sexist humour down but any show that it's gotten to you just adds to the humourless stereotype in their eyes.

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SardineQueen · 09/08/2012 20:06

Great post annie Smile

MerlinScot · 09/08/2012 20:22

Great post!! applauds

VegansTasteBetter · 09/08/2012 20:40

Awesome post Grin

GurlwiththeFrothyGoldMedal · 09/08/2012 20:59

Great post - totally agree!

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 09/08/2012 21:17

wonderful post Smile Thanks

AnnieLobeseder · 09/08/2012 21:24

Hey Dances, wotcha doin' out of the knitting and over here in Feminism? Good to see you!

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SardineQueen · 09/08/2012 21:38

I expect she was lured in by your eloquence Annie.

That was a super post!

DancesWithWoolsEnPointe · 10/08/2012 09:49

I was perusing the active boards and was lured in by the title, and only discovered you wrote it when I got here - so jolly well done.

Whatmeworry · 10/08/2012 10:03

I don't like the jokes that put women down (or more accurately I don't like a lot of the people who use them) and do get fed up with the continual fragile male ego superiority needs (Do calm dowm, dear.....)

BUT, I have met some Feminists with no sense of humour, they do exist, doesn't help to deny it, I'm sure we all know a few.

AND, I have also met Religiionuts, Politicos, Greens, Liberal Economists and Scrabble Club chairpeople with no sense of humour either. Its not just Feminisnts, but ther are some.

I've noticed the Humourless are a subspecies who do gravitate towards the most extreme/pious/dedicated (choose the epithet) end of their respective spectra. They all think that what they are doing is Dreadfully Important, and all other concerns are Far Less Important.

And IMO they do need to lighten up, all of them, as they are usually PITAs to deal with, and put ordinary people off their cause.

MrGeresHamster · 10/08/2012 10:14

Whatmeworry I suspect these people you mention do have a sense of humour but that it possibly does not match your own. You mention their interests/affiliations alongside the assertion that they do not have a sense of humour so is it possible that it is humour about their interests/affiliation that has given you cause to believe they have no sense of humour? I can't believe that there is a correlation there.

You can sympathise with the chair of the scrabble association not finding it funny if it were scrabble (or the type of people who join scrabble associations) who are the butt of the joke. IYSWIM.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 10/08/2012 10:27

Good post annie.

I'm sure feminists with no SOH exist - as whatme says, just as within any other group, some people just don't have much SOH. But it's not an essential quality. If you had a child who was a bit more serious than his or her siblings, you wouldn't constantly tease them or insist they lighten up, I don't think?

What I find interesting is that I have come across a lot of people - and I'm afraid it has virtually always been men - who will claim feminists have no sense of humour, but as soon as you start making jokes back at them, even if your jokes are very gentle, they get ruffled, upset, and very offensive.

They dish it out, but they can't take it and get bewildered when you show them a glimpse of what it's like.

The best of these people do get a shock and see what they've been doing, and change. But it's rotten it has to happen like that at all.

Whatmeworry · 10/08/2012 10:34

They dish it out, but they can't take it and get bewildered when you show them a glimpse of what it's like.

I've found that in so many things, Dishers Out usually can't take it back.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 10/08/2012 10:37

This is true.

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