do you believe in the patriarchy?

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A poster on another thread said she views feminism as the struggle against patriarchy. That is how I view it too. I believe that is considered the rad fem stance?

Another poster said she didn't believe in patriarchy

I don't geddit

Why/how are women so unequal if not for patriarchal societies? WHO has been oppressing us?

Please tell me what you think, if you don't believe in patriarchy

porto did it also clear up how it's nothing to do with porn that women like men jizzing on their face but in fact because it was a source of zinc in days of scarcity on the savannah so we've evolved like that?

or maybe some mention of men and needing to go into their caves?

Oh gawd, the poor menz route? :(

I was told the other day "porn is an effective route for reducing violence against women". Needless to say, my response was somewhere along the lines of "WTAF?"

links!!

Thats a brilliantly biased inaccurate synopsis of my views but like I said, feel free.

Well explain it eclectic then

so where's this link that says kiriarchy isn't a concept created by a feminist and part of feminist theory? apparently you've read stuff that says otherwise and we're still waiting on the link.

I still believe in the patriarchy. I see it in play every day.

I believe that youth-worship, white-hetero-normity and able-bodied are the defaults and believe in pretty much all the isms and phobias, although I am very lucky that I am not a direct target of many of those. I don't ignore them. I don't perpetuate them. I challenge them when I see/hear them. I challenge my own privilege frequently. I donate to causes that are lower on the hierarchy ladder. I'm not even political, tbh, so don't fall into the Guardian-reading liberal type. But I focus on feminism that effects changes for women, regardless of colour, sexuality or ability, because I am a woman. Can someone tell me what else I should be doing? Or what I am doing incorrectly? Is focussing on something that I am affected by any different that someone doing a 10k because their mum had breast cancer?

This is a plaintive post, not a challenging one.

No - that was MY synopsis of the article you linked to. You are totally free to give your own. I am learning, I am interested in all the different points of view. Genuinely. Though it is insulting to be told that we all blindly follow Dittany....as she herself could attest, we have not always got along...

Explain which bit? If you look you will find others have explained my views far more eloquently in all matter of scholarly articles. I'm not saying anything new, it's been written about over and over, just as rad fem has.

Rad fem is not the only strand of feminism.

Just thought of another answer to the OP ....

"Yes, I believe in God the Father who made me and all the world"

Or, maybe that was my Mum that made me !

Oh, and the rich. I forgot about them. Hmm.

What was your synopsis of the article YOU linked ES?

Why don't you read my posts on this thread.

Yeah, I got bored of your constant targetting of dittany, so stopped reading...

If feminism is absolutely so marvellous at intersectionality why does a movement called Womanism exist and why does a term called colonial feminism exist?

I thought Womanism gave a word to the experience of black women who wanted to protest the double oppression of women of colour whilst not attacking men of colour. As far as I understand it, Walker's idea was a combination of female solidarity/black solidarity plus a celebration of black women's culture.

Surely this is something that only could have been created by black women? It would have been horribly invasive for white feminists to name the experience of black women. Yuck.

Having said that I totally get that there were and still are white racist/supremacist 'feminists', and white women who left out women of colour because they were acting white privileged.

I thought colonial feminism was the sort of thing where men from the UK get all chivalrous and protective when it comes to how furrin men treat 'their women' and use it as an excuse to have a war/nick some territory/act colonial. Double yuck.

As far as I understand it, it is impossible to have a theory of Kyriarchy without patriarchy. I do think it is interesting that so many feminists have some kind of spiritual background like Schüssler Fiorenza.

Rulers, I don't think you are doing it incorrectly. I wish more women would focus on the needs of woman

ES - I did. You said you agreed with many of the points in the article you linked to. You didn't specify which ones...

Also, I believe that women of colour experience a different variation of misogyny, from white men, than that experienced by white women.

do i believe in the patriarchy?

sometimes. most the time i think equality is on the rise and although we must not be complacent, very few women lead less equal lives than their mothers and grandmothers.

but sometimes i see men group together in a way that leave me very uneasy. the most recent example was a meeting with a new potential client:

1. great meeting, client = 5 men, one women. only me representing my company
2. afterwards i get a very odd call from the one women saying i 'should bring a man to the next meeting' and my meeting comments seem to have been strangely misinterpreted to allow the 'logical selection' of a competitor (males).

they seem prefer to argue 2+2=5 than admit a female led company might be the better option for them.

anyway i am going back to meet the Fuckers in a few weeks, taking the requested man (who works for me & i thought him eveything he knows. but he has the all important penis!!).

It feels like a really odd oppression of women but i will be remembering they are clearly inadequate little twerps. and i will charmingly hunt them down on each and every point.

the personal is political.

Wasabi, have you thought that thy might be making their decisions based on anything other then your sex?

What part of "YOU SHOULD BRING A MAN" did you not understand there ES?

Now I work in Belgium for a technology company. On one level, there are woefully few women (something the company is trying to address, or at least it says it is). On the other - I have NEVER picked up any feeling that anyone thinks any less of me for being female. I am expected to be good at my job, but that is it.

Maybe there is something insidious going on ie if I am a woman and I am THERE, I must have earnt my right to be there ifysim BUT I have experienced NONE of the overt sexism that I experienced in the UK. The only difficulty I have had is that some people get the hump that I don't speak Dutch.....

I agree with you Porto, I have worked in technology firms too and never has my sex been an issue. I was expected to be good at my job and I was. I never came across sexism in any technology dominated environment I worked in.

What I did come across is clients trying to make the best decision for their company. Assuming that you must be being discrimatory against on the basis of your sex in that environment without any actual evidence is once again portraying women to be victims and an easy get out clause. I'm not saying sexism doesn't exist but do you really think clients would put their performance and bonuses in jeopardy in order to be sexist? Intersectionality at play again.

Once again, assuming all discrimation is based in sex is ridiculous. There is discrimation based in competence?