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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why women should respect men.

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craziemazie · 25/04/2012 15:16

"There is a disease spreading across America like a cancer. It?s infecting our lives, our churches, our homes. It?s an illness that is creeping in subtly with symptoms that seem harmless and innocent at first but if not treated quickly and aggressively will lead to much destruction and loss.

The blatant disrespect of men. It?s tearing apart out homes and our families. God ordained the authority of husbands and fathers and He put a deep desire in every man to feel respected. When we dishonor our authorities and belittle men in general it destroys our relationships and undermines the plan God laid out for Biblical roles."

"God built within women the deep desire to be cared for and treasured by men but especially by their husbands. Likewise God designed men to long for the respect of women, especially their wives. We find ourselves feeling the most fulfilled when we are operating within the roles God has given us because they compliment the desires He has gifted us with."

stayathomedaughter.com/

I don't get why (if men are so powerful and designed to be in charge) such an emphasis is placed on the woman changing her behaviour. Surely a true leader could handle a strong woman.

I wonder how popular the views of that blog are. In America and over here. Seems to be a religious thing.

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craziemazie · 26/04/2012 17:17

I was thinking that the reason there are so many blogs is because it is something she can control? Sure she is selling her lifestyle and can say what she wants unlike in real life when you would get funny looks or laughed at. It is like a little community where they all back each other up.

With a blog the wife / daughter can pick the colours / topics / pictures / even what comments to allow.

I think it must be bad to be the wife but can't imagine being a daughter brought up in all that and having to stay home and under your dads rule until you get married.

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SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 26/04/2012 17:23

He never lives up to his end of the bargain. The whole 'servant leadership' view of the role of husbands is based entirely on the airy fairy pie in the sky idea that men will always put the needs of their families above their own, and will never act selfishly. That never happens.

Abusers believe in female submission, abusers think men should be in charge of women, abusers think men should have veto power and have more say in household decisions then women. Why would a god who is all knowing and all loving decide in his wisdom that a set up which is so detrimental to the health and well being of women, is the ideal one, and not only that but reflects his relationship with humanity?

KRITIQ · 27/04/2012 10:13

Well, that's it exactly Strop. If the guy doesn't hold up his end of the "bargain," the rules say the only recourse for the woman is to pray harder and forgive, pray harder and forgive. If it doesn't work, wait for your reward in Heaven.

yakbutter · 27/04/2012 10:23

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SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 27/04/2012 14:12

British Evangelical Christians tend to go for submission lite aka complimentarianism. Basically, men and women have complimentary roles and it just so happens that the man's role is to lead and the woman's role is to submit.

craziemazie · 27/04/2012 16:12

I keep reading that the husband is the head of the house and the woman is the heart of the home.

Just watching episode 2 of Living with the Amish on 4OD and that covers marriage roles. If it is truly something that the women wants to do then fine but I don't think that you would know at the start how your husband would behave with ultimate power in the relationship.

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MoralDerangement · 27/04/2012 17:20

I love her!

"Being a blogger is scary. There are a thousand things that can make us shake in our boots {or in my case heels}. There are trolls and stalkers, spelling criticts and " heh, 'spelling criticts'

sorry

do you think she did that on purpose?

MoralDerangement · 27/04/2012 17:25

is 'biblical femininity' all about menstruating in a separate tent, dressed as barbara cartland?

yakbutter · 28/04/2012 09:32

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HecateTrivia · 28/04/2012 09:39

by 'respect', he means obey, defer to, be subservient to, doesn't he?

Because you can have respect for someone, while still being a strong person who makes their own choices in life.

grimbletart · 28/04/2012 15:00

Well if you come from a religion that believes the first woman was made from a man's rib as an afterthought to keep him company I imagine it is easy to believe ten impossible things before breakfast, including your deity of choice deciding to fix it for one sex to pay God substitute over the other.

Honestly, as a feminist, when I read garbage like from a woman I am tempted to believe that maybe there is something inferior about us ...Grin

Good job she signs herself "stayathomedaughter" - she can't do too much damage if she stays there. Wonder if Daddy knows she is on his computer? Doubt she'd have the bottle to use it if he hadn't given his permission...

craziemazie · 28/04/2012 18:30

One of her recent posts is about "how I balance being an adult with my own opinions and ideas and being a submissive daughter."

I think she is serious!

It seems to be the wives that really try to sell the idea of submissive wives / daughters to other women.

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grimbletart · 28/04/2012 20:08

"how I balance being an adult with my own opinions and ideas and being a submissive daughter."

Short answer - you can't.

solidgoldbrass · 29/04/2012 12:21

While there are plenty of bucketheads with blogs like this woman, there are also plenty of feminist and liberal blogs as well. However, there is a seriously scary trend in America at the moment towards the suppression of women's rights: a lot of American feminists call it the War On Women: look at all the frankly mental proposals regarding giving women who miscarry the death penalty etc.

Chrysanthemum5 · 29/04/2012 12:34

My sister was a member of an evangelical church for a long time. She lives in the Highlands, and these churches are very popular there. She is an intelligent person, a teacher, and a good person but she very firmly believed the man was the head of the household and it was the role of the wife and children to obey him. I asked her what would happen if the husband was selfish, and didn't bother about what was best for the family when making decisions. Her answer was that he should consider everyone but if he didn't you had to put up with it.

When my abusive exH left me her husband very seriously pointed out to me that if I had been more obedient I'd still be married. I had a few things to say to him about that view!

She has now moved away from the church and is divorced so she's much more like the person she used to be, but that attitude has stayed with her to some extent.

SardineQueen · 29/04/2012 12:51

Well I was just thinking yes these loony american christian fundamentalists...

Then I thought that actually I think my next door neighbours live like this
And we have a lot of exclusive brethren around here and though I don't know exactly what all their beliefs are I wouldn't be surprised if there was something like this in their thinking.

Then of course there are groups of other faiths in the UK who have these sort of ideas.

So actually it's not just a bunch of loons in the US, it is all around the place.

GrimmaTheNome · 29/04/2012 12:54

look at all the frankly mental proposals regarding giving women who miscarry the death penalty etc
eh? Confused

SardineQueen · 29/04/2012 12:59

Because they want to give an embryo full "personhood" rights from the moment of conception, and thus to get rid of one is murder, which attracts the death penalty in some US states.

The idea was that if a pregnancy came to an end the woman would have to prove that she had not done anything to cause or contribute to that event which is very very hard.

There is a woman in the US in prison because she tried to commit suicide and through that caused a miscarriage in her pregnancy so she got charged with murder and I think she is in prison.

SardineQueen · 29/04/2012 13:00

here

GrimmaTheNome · 29/04/2012 13:07

Oh fuck. Poor, poor woman Sad

grimbletart · 29/04/2012 13:11

She is an intelligent person, a teacher, and a good person but she very firmly believed the man was the head of the household and it was the role of the wife and children to obey him.

Sorry chrysanthemum5, but I doubt the intelligence of any woman holding that a wife has to obey because it lacks logic. And I even more seriously doubt the self-esteem of women like that. Somewhere, even if buried deep, they have a very low view of themselves.

GrimmaTheNome · 29/04/2012 13:15

I think some christians manage to get it a bit less arse about face. My mother said she believed Dad was 'head of the household' ( but as far as I could see everything was done by mutal consensus) and crucially, believing this she made sure she married a man worthy of respect in the first place.

Chrysanthemum5 · 29/04/2012 13:49

Grimble she is intelligent but very low self esteem (we had an abusive childhood) and easy prey for a church who got her at a low point.

grimbletart · 29/04/2012 14:56

chrysanthemum - sorry to hear that and sorry if that came over rude about intelligence. Not surprised though at the self-esteem issues. There always has to be an explanation why a woman would believe such a thing in this day and age...

Chrysanthemum5 · 29/04/2012 17:42

Grimble - it's fine I just wanted to show how easy it is as an intelligent adult living in the uk to end up in a situation where you believe and accept you are inferior to a man. I found it firghtening when my sister began spouting this rubbish but it's like she was drugged or hypnotised and couldn't see reality.

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