"Miss goes missing on French official forms" - let's do the same here!

[Alittlefeminist]

Hurray for French feminists who have pushed through a revision of women's titles: www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/22/mademoiselle-removed-from-french-official-forms :)

Let's do the same!

Men can wear skirts. One dad at dds primary does.

"Men can wear skirts. One dad at dds primary does."
It is unusual (kilts etc excluded). My point was not that the men cannot wear skirts, but the argument that women should not have/do something because the men do not do it.

My Mrs does not denote a dependent relationship. If anything my dh was vastly dependent on me for many years as his income was a fraction (literally) of mine (a former banker "me" and my disabled dh living on various allowances) as well as in other ways (driving, helping to get around and look after himself).

The world has moved on guys!

Yeah, it's unusual. It's quite unusual for men to want to have or do something usually associated with women, to be fair. If its that great to have a title that tells the world whether you're married, how come the men don't want a bit of that too?

feminists want to to stop LGBT people from getting married?

must have missed that memo.

People can call themselves anything they like obviously. But is it necessary for minor officialdom to know whether you are married or not? An honorific meaning Adult Woman should be enough in this day and age, and I say that as a Mrs in my personal life.

Me too Rhino

bemybebe wrote - "My Mrs does not denote a dependent relationship. If anything my dh was vastly dependent on me for many years"

and who can tell from your DH's title that he is even in that relationship with you?

An excellent article for those who think it doesn't bear comparison with racism

I think it's really sad that it's so Very Important to some women to be defined as married.

What's the big deal? Any fool can get married and stay that way.

My mother is widowed as well - what's that got to do with anything?

If we get rid of anything surely we should get rid of Miss and Ms?

So, basically, they are removing any choice over how you are addressed?

If choice is so important why not argue that we should have more choice about how we're addressed? Why not unlimited choice?

"She should be pleased and happy that there are feminists fighting for her right not to have to state her marital status!"

I don't want anyone to fight for me, I find the assumption that insulting, why do you assume that it is a problem for more than a tiny insecure minority.

Rhinos was trying to be sarcastic, I think.

All these grannies are clouding the issue. As is this idea of 'choice' - if the choice is so bloody great, why don't the men want it? And why can't I choose not to be asked in the first place whether or not I'm married?

The very fact that it's old nannas who are going to be sad not be called Mrs that people keep on bringing up (just like the nannas on the Coloured thread who might be upset not be able to say Coloured any more) should tell you something about how out-dated the whole Mrs/Miss concept is. As the next generation, we should be getting over it by now!

Well I'm not an old nanna, and I still want to be called Mrs.

It's interesting to note that the adherents of Miss and Mrs are more than happy for others to have the choice to be Ms, whereas some of the adherents of Ms will only be happy if their choice is the only choice, no matter whether that upsets other people.

Frankly, if anyone is treating me as second-class because I am a Mrs, it is some, not all, of the people who espouse Ms - other women, not men at all. Is it really feminism, to treat other women as second class because their choice of title is different to yours?

The 'choice' thing has been addressed quite a few times now.

No-one's treating any Mrses as second class citizens that I'm aware of.

No they just seem to be invoked a disproportionate amount as reasons why things can never move on.