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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I remember posting on here a couple of years ago

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Stephenbeecham12 · 19/01/2012 23:32

and mentioning the feminisation of education and how destructive it was.
Opprobium and frothing was rife. Please explain why.

Here is a comment from an article today with a lot of likes. Can anyone here agree with it?

If male and females are the same why does our species have sexual dimorphism? Evolution obviously wants male and females to act and behave in a certain way to achieve different things. There maybe some exceptions here and there but they are rare.

The leftist/feminist education establishment has progressively been modifying the maths curriculum and exams to boost girls performance. For example, questions girls typically struggle on are removed from exams, there are less questions that require abstract thought (which girls struggle with) and more written word maths conundrums (which girls do better on) in their place. The emphasis on coursework also has boosted girls overall maths scores. When I was studying GCSE maths you could obtain a B grade before you even sat the exam because 70% of the overall mark was obtained from coursework, which didn't test you on abstract ability or mathematical knowledge.

Leftist academics denial of reality and their attempts to conceal the truth by dumbing down on what is expected of children in order to create "equality", has caused massive damage to a generation of children.

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CatherineMacauley · 19/01/2012 23:45

I assume you are looking to reignite the past discussion for your own amusement. If you want to know the answer to your question I suggest you find your previous thread and read it carefully. You probably could also do some research in the subject via the Internet or even (shock of shocks) in a library. It's amazing what you can learn by reading.

Giyadas · 19/01/2012 23:51

Yep, evolution wants us to behave in different ways. It wants the girls to apply themselves consistently and conscientiously and get good grades, and it wants boys to play football, goof around and fail.
What can you do, it's nature innit? Who are we to argue?

ClothesOfSand · 20/01/2012 00:03

Well most of the coursework has been removed from GCSEs, although some controlled assessment remains. Boys performance has not improved as a consequence. I don't see how you can assess Science without controlled assessment as well as exams because it involves practical work. GCSEs have now gone to linear rather than modular, so we will see how that pans out.

I don't know when you went to school, but there was no coursework in Maths when I did my GCSEs and my son is in Secondary school and has no coursework for Maths.

My son is doing very well in school, but then he goes to a school that is committed to breaking down gender stereotypes, and we don't gender stereotype at home, so he doesn't have experience of that kind of damaging masculinity that seems to hold some boys back.

ClothesOfSand · 20/01/2012 00:10

As for sexual dimorphism - of course men and women behave in different ways! Men can't get pregnant or breastfeed so they have bodies that are different. I don't see that has much to do with Maths exams. I don't think teenage boys are worse at Maths because boys have dainty hips. The human brain is incredibly plastic and anybody brought up in an optimum learning environment for 16 years should be able to get an A in GCSE Maths. I really don't think the male body is an excuse for underachievement; it is about teachers, parents and society expecting boys to achieve and encouraging them to learn and be responsible.

Heatherhills · 20/01/2012 00:17

Short of buns today?

xshevix · 20/01/2012 00:22

They do make you do coursework in maths or they did when i went to school, left in 2007. I think differet school have different curriculums. In my school you didnt have different teachers/classes for biology, chemistry or physics, or seperate exams. It was set out into 12 modules over 2 years.

ClothesOfSand · 20/01/2012 00:29

Modular exams have now gone completely. For children starting their GCSEs in September, only linear GCSEs will be allowed for all exam boards.

I have both a son and a daughter, and I am really glad that modular GCSEs have gone. I think it was very stressful to constantly have modules approaching for both boys and girls.

ClothesOfSand · 20/01/2012 00:31

Having just googled it, it seems that Maths coursework was discontinued by the government in 2006. So children who started their GCSEs in 2006 and finished them in 2008 were presumably the last children to do Maths coursework.

ClothesOfSand · 20/01/2012 00:47

In fact having looked at the figures, more boys are passing GCSE Maths than girls, so I'm not sure why the OP thinks that there is a problem for boys in being able to understand the wording of the maths paper. In fact it does seem that boys performance has improved in Maths, but I'm still not sure how you are proposing that not having a percentage of marks decided before the final exam would work for other subjects. Do you think there should be no French oral test or no lab work for Chemistry?

Are you attempting to compare the situation from a few years ago with now? If that is the case, wouldn't it better to look at what is happening with A levels rather than with GCSEs, because that is where the gender gap is narrowing. And yet some A levels will have elements of work that is planned and assessed before the final exams, particularly in Science which the boys tend to do well in. Or is it boys who are at the lower end of the ability range and won't go on to A level that are concerning you?

TunipTheVegemal · 20/01/2012 11:55

Is anyone else laughing at 'Here is a comment from an article today with a lot of likes'?

MooncupGoddess · 20/01/2012 12:19

Well obviously Tunip if a lot of anonymous people on the internet agree with something then it MUST BE TRUE. Stands to reason, no?

Not that my opinion is worth much on this as, being a female, I struggle with abstract thought.

MitchierInge · 20/01/2012 12:24

if education so heavily tilted in favourite of girls why the underrepresentation at every meaningful level, why the pay gap why everything really, why are you so stupid?

and why are we supposed to give imbecilic trolls the benefit of the doubt instead of naming them for what they are

MitchierInge · 20/01/2012 12:25

I typed FAVOUR iPad obviously wants to keep op company by being a stupid dick too

CogitoErgoSometimes · 20/01/2012 12:43

All children are individuals, have different ways of learning and a good teacher will angle their explanations and examples until the concept is understood properly. At DS's school's open day recently, they had a questionnaire for visitors to fill out that tested whether they leaned more towards auditory, visual, abstract/theory or practical when it came to learning. Not surprisingly, the results were highly individual. Not surprisingly, girls did not 'struggle with abstract concepts' any more than boys. What girls struggle with are the kind of idiots that make such ridiculous and sweeping assumptions.

cakeandcustard · 20/01/2012 12:55

Ha ha ha that they need to dumb down the maths curriculum for girls who 'struggle with abstract thought' Tell that to the class on my undergraduate degree in mathematics - more than 50% of them were female, they certainly hadn't dumbed the material down and there was no coursework.

SardineQueen · 20/01/2012 13:05

What article? Where is the link?

I am also interested in a little conundrum that the OP raises. I have two maths A-Levels, a degree in physics, and am currently studying with the OU maths / programming / that sort of thing (whatever takes my fancy). BUT I don't have a penis. How can this possibly be?

SardineQueen · 20/01/2012 13:06

Maybe it fell off when I was a child

That is the most likely explanation. I can't think of any others TBH.

MitchierInge · 20/01/2012 13:07

are you a lesbian SQ or some other medically and sexually and socially anomalous creature?

TunipTheVegemal · 20/01/2012 13:08

It's because it's been dumbed down SQ. Go on, admit it, you probably only had to count to 5 and arrange some wooden blocks in a square to get your A level.
It's not like the proper A levels people with penises used to do.

SardineQueen · 20/01/2012 13:09

Oh but hold on I have just noticed these two children and remembered that they arrived after my tummy swelled up over a period of some months. Getting them out was a bit of a palaver, I'm sorry to say. So that makes me female, I think?

Gosh this is a really tricky one isn't it. Maybe I have a MALE BRAIN and a FEMALE BODY?

BasilRathbone · 20/01/2012 13:24
Grin

May I recommend this book OP? It might teach you something.

KRITIQ · 20/01/2012 13:30

Um, it looks like the OP has scarpered, so probably best to let the tumbleweed occupy their attempt to stir up trouble.

lollygag · 20/01/2012 14:25

Tunip: You are wasting your time trying to use logic against this lot!

ArtexMonkey · 20/01/2012 15:25

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Anniegetyourgun · 20/01/2012 23:33

I am allowed abstract thought, despite my lack of testicles, acos I is Aquarius innit. Other star signs get back in t'kitchen and stop pretending to understand those OU textbooks.

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