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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

To what extent do you think relational abuse is due to the patriarchy?

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toptramp · 09/01/2012 18:21

After being in an abusive relationship and spending much time on the relationship boards I have begun to wonder why so many relationships are abusive.

In men there can be the sense of entitlement that they should be in charge and that women are weak and need "guidance". To what extent do you think this is true and if not at all what other reasons for abusive relationships do you cite?

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KRITIQ · 09/01/2012 18:43

Relationship abuse happens within the wider context of a society that values women less than men, so the system that shores up this context (i.e. patriarchy) is very much at the root of it happens.

Messages are all around us, from cradle to grave that men are entitled to lead, to control, to direct and women are expected to support, to nurture to serve. The fact that some men feel entitled to enforce this through the use of physical, emotional and/or sexual threats or abuse is therefore, not that surprising. The fact that there are few social, economic or legal sanctions for men who commit abuse demonstrates if not outright collusion with male abuse, at least most certainly not universal condemnation of the practice.

I would say it's the same for all situations where one group as greater power, control and status than another group (e.g. race, culture, socio-economic class, disability, sexual orientation, etc.)

If human beings were not valued based on their sex, then there would still be conflicts and still be examples of coercion and abuse in relationships because there are a plethora of factors that can lead to conflicts within human relationships of all types (think about work colleagues, think about neighbours, think about friends who fall out, etc.) But, we wouldn't see that abuse being so gendered if not for entrenched sexual inequality.

Often commentators try to "pin" the reason or reasons for relationship abuse on other factors - all sorts including substance misuse, religious traditions, class traditions, mental ill health, financial worries, etc. While some of these may have an impact on the context and choices people make in relationships, they are not the reasons for abuse, nor would addressing these eliminate the spectre of abuse, so long as gender-based oppression exists.

MMMarmite · 09/01/2012 18:47

I think a lot of romance movies, sit-coms and tv advertising show pretty unequal relationships, and sometimes stuff that borders on abusive is treated as material for jokes. For example, episode after episode in How I Met Your Mother, Barney lies to women to get them to sleep with him and then ignores them afterwards - this behaviour is not condemned, is mostly presented as funny, and is sometimes actively supported by the other characters. The women who he does this to are never seen afterwards. Clearly we're not supposed to care about their lives. None of the female characters act this way, and when Robyn sometimes has casual hook-ups, the other characters tend to mock and judge her for it far more than they ever judge Barney. Even though it's 'only comedy', sitcoms and romances are one of the main places young people see models of how dating and relationships work, so I think it can be very harmful.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 10/01/2012 09:35

Bullies are inadequate people looking for victims to blame for their faults and make themselves feel superior. Out of the home they might swagger about being homophobic or racist. In the home they'll pick on children, pets, partners. If they are in any position of authority they will abuse that position. However, coming from a matriarchal family as I do, and having had an abusive grandmother at the head of that family, I know that violent behaviour is not confined to one gender.

It's certainly possible that men think they have an automatic right to be in charge of women ... "head of the household".... "lord and master" ..... maybe that's how they've been raised? I think it's equally true that some women comply with this view of the world because (to my horror) I've met some. In some societies where this kind of skew is enshrined in laws and culture that's a true patriarchy. In British society, I don't think that's the case. Just some lingering hangovers from a long-gone past and a rich seam of inadequates.

Sniffey · 31/01/2012 22:18

I think it has a lot to do with the different relational styles that males and females are trained to adopt under patriarchy: a "relational" style for women and "autonomous" for men. The autonomous style is fundamentally threatened by the very fact of being in a relationship as dependency needs and vulnerability are involved. Many men thus revert to bullying behaviour to satisfy a need to be "better than" their partner, often unconsciously.

sakura · 01/02/2012 07:02

I agree with KRITIQ. The more I learn about feminism, the more I understand that relationship problems almost all boil down to the patriarchy. The fact that two women a week are murdered by their spouses in the UK can be put down to a general pattern of it being acceptable for men to kill women. In fact, nobody even knows about the figures. Nobody even notices the missing women. The men get an average of 4 years in jail.
Society would definitely notice if two men a week were being murdered by their spouse.

And from there you get other issues, such as the fact that women with children are extremely vulnerable economically. Often they are forced to cooperate with a man, and live with him, so they don't end up in dire poverty, or in prostitution. This probably creates a lot of denial and cognitive dissonance in a woman. She knows she needs to make the relationship work, but she doesn't quite realise why it's so necessary. It's difficult to admit that your economic vulnerability as a mother has put you in a position where you are forced to cooperate with the father of your children. Women make excuses for shit behaviour, because accepting their partner is an arsehole would mean she'd have to leave, and she might not be in a financial position to do so.
In a normal society women would not have to live with men.

Then you get the fact that men believe sex is their right. Yes, women like sex too of course, but men don't suffer the fall-out of unwanted pregnancy and the anxiety that that can cause. Women actually have quite a lot to lose by having intercourse ( she might lose out on a job promotion if she falls pregnant unexpectedly etc). Men, not so much.
It's really worth thinking about the fact that men can't get pregnant,and women can. This is often ignored and overlooked. Men and women behave as though the risk of sex is equal for both of them. But this is not true at all. It's not the man's body on the line, it's not the man who's going to have to have an abortion if the contraception fails. It's the woman. This is another HUGE thing that we all try to ignore when we say sex is "equal". And this probably causes more stress for women than they're able to admit. Because let's face it, women know that if they turn of the sex tap their spouse will leave. And if she's economically interdependant (sharing a mortgage or whatever) then this is a prospect she's not able to face.

If the house is a mess, people will judge the woman, and not the man. It's very easy to be labelled as a BAd Mother, and almost impossible to be labelled as a bad father. Even worthless pieces of shit who rarely see their kids are regarded as good fathers if they bring the kids a prezzie now and again.

PrideOfChanur · 01/02/2012 09:52

I think that abuse in male-female relationships has been supported by the patriarchy,in the past,and now.But I think abuse happens in the first place because of flawed human nature.
In our society men have more power on average than women,and also mostly have physical strength on their side and I agree with what sakura says about economic vulnerability and the implications of the fact that it is women who get pregnant.
However I think if the patriarchy was out of the picture abuse would still occur because in any situation where one person has more power than another there is a potential for abuse and that potential isn't gender specific.

StewieGriffinsMom · 01/02/2012 10:24

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bejeezus · 01/02/2012 14:14

i am divorcing my abusive husband. He is from a very traditional patriachal culture. I often think the reason he is abusive is not his personality,but his culture. Within the context of his culture,the way he treated me is completely normal.

Its different reasons for different cases isnt it?

NiftyNanny · 04/02/2012 21:57

I agree with the posters who say our culture generally supports a double standard. It's only relatively recently that spouse rape has been considered a crime, and a lot of the customs & traditions relating to marriage suggest that women are a man's property to "give away", and so on. The connotations also exist in common law relationships, when ideas about gender roles are learned. That sews the seeds for a power imbalance before you even take individual personalities into consideration.

I had a couple of abusive partners, although there was very little physical abuse their attitudes towards me were incredibly dismissive. I was relegated to being someone who didn't deserve the right to choose what we did with our money, with my time and even with my own body. They saw my opinions as worth less than theirs. I can't believe someone who tells me that "men have needs" isn't responding to a stereotype that supports the idea that his needs are greater than my desire for him not to have sex with me. :(

Happily that's pretty far behind me and I've questioned a lot of my assumptions about what we believe about relationships, I think it's made me happier overall & i definitely have a healthy relationship now. I still get a bit O_o with the girls i look after sonetimes - I don't mind playing Disney Princesses but I have been known to add "...and he was very KIND and funny and they talked and talked and got on really well and they were always nice to each other!"

solidgoldbrass · 05/02/2012 02:21

Oh bloody hell I'm so glad I remembered this part of the board...
Sorry, as you were...

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