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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Disney Princesses/Barbie castle. Should I indulge DD or steer her away?

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Primafacie · 10/10/2011 18:15

I have always made a conscious effort to get non-gendered toys for DD, 2.8. She loves her workbench, train set, playing pirates etc but she also likes dolls. Unfortunately our childminder has stereotypical views and has encouraged DD's interest in Disney princesses and the like - eg if she plays dressing up the CM will steer her towards snow white, etc whereas I would pick a monkey outfit. DD also loves Peppa Pig who has a bit of a princess obsession, as well as Ben and Holly.

Lately DD has been expressing an interest in getting toys that have a more girly theme. Some of them are a complete piss take tbh. I mean, a Disney princess cash register? Wtf. not sure DD fully understood when I explained princesses don't work at Tesco

Anyways, am I fighting a losing battle here? The princess thing is so pervasive, can I be successful in trying to avoid princess toys and all things pink and sparkly for much longer? Should I draw the line at Barbies stuff? The only thing is I remember how much fun I had playing with Barbies as a kid! I still very much define myself as a feminist. What are the pros and cons of allowing these toys?

Sorry to be rambling. All opinions welcome.

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madwomanintheattic · 11/10/2011 21:50

Grin i hadn't thought of that either. it's second nature to just heft a massive bag of books round with me. really, i could be the kindle poster girl if you got rid of the grey hair and wan expression...

silverfrog · 11/10/2011 22:39

you can download kindle for pc/mac app now, and start downloading books - get a headstart for when you get a kindle Grin

kindle is sold by Amazon. search on amazon to find out what books there are. (you can also use other ebookstores, but this will mean converting the format - easy to do, just use Calibre software - does it for you).

on Amazon, there is a drop dwon menu on the left - go down to kindle, then kindle bookstore (or similar); or just search a book, and see what formats it is available in on the description page (usually a box just under the price, showing kindle price, paperback price and hardback price).

other ereaders are availble, but I think kindles win out for me. there are 2 main types - standard wifi (you need to be at home or near a hotspot to connect up) or 3g (can download books anywhere).

dh has a 3g (for downloading newspapers and journals on the move/when travelling) I have a bog standard wifi (don't need to be downloading on the move - serious though my book habit is, I can manage until I get home to buy one Wink)

any books you buy can be sent to your kindle, your pc, your smartphone (if you have the app), and via the magic of amazon, it remebers the page you are ont, whatever device you are using. so I can read my kindle in the evening, on my mac over breakfast while the girls are getting ready, on my phone while waiting for school pick up - and each time I open the book, it goes straight to the last page I was on, even if not the same device - bloody magical!

so there you go, kindle in a nutshell Grin

g'wan, you know you want one!

madwomanintheattic · 11/10/2011 23:01

oh goodness, that's very clever. i had no idea! glad you have some breathing/ thinking space, too x

i was doing really well curbing my amazon habit, as well. hey ho.

silverfrog · 11/10/2011 23:03

all I bloody have is thinking space Grin and also [grrr]. 'tis probably at least half the problem...

curbing an amazon habit? is this even possible Grin

madwomanintheattic · 11/10/2011 23:17

Grin think of it as a snapshot of a possible future. Wink

i've been doing v well re amazon. but it seems to have caused an upsurge in crappy scholastic orders to compensate. and they aren't even for me.

and i appear to be developing a taste for slightly off the wall lentil-weaving eco books, as that's all they sell in greensville.ca Grin

silverfrog · 11/10/2011 23:28

I think that is why the possible future looks so well, er possible tbh!

If I was aborad now I would be doing some serious damage to my amazon account. thank god when we were a) internet shopping was not the thing it is now b) we had serious internet issues anyway and c) anything I bought would have most likely gone astray. otherwise it could have got to dangrous levels Grin

did you ever get a Wike trailer, btw? always meant to ask - we trawled ours round festivals this summer, and got many and admiring glance as both girls still fit, plus all our kit for the day

madwomanintheattic · 11/10/2011 23:32

not yet. dd2 just grew out of her chariot carriers one (we had been squishing her in and hoping her head wouldn't touch the top Grin) and i have to say, you have the memory of an elephant, as i don't remember that conversation at all but clearly must have had it, as it makes perfect sense to me... Blush wike is definitely the follow-on, but will wait until next summer now!

silverfrog · 11/10/2011 23:39
Grin

bloody mine of useless info me. wish I could remember the stuff for my open exam next week as easily...

you were stressing about the move abroad, and mentioned it in passing as one of those "and another thing I have to do, but can't find the time and have no idea" things. only stuck in my head as I was Envy that you wouldn't have to pay shipping and import duty Grin

madwomanintheattic · 11/10/2011 23:53

Grin that'll be over two years ago then. Grin see? elephantine! (in the nicest possible way)
good luck for exam x

madwomanintheattic · 11/10/2011 23:54
silverfrog · 11/10/2011 23:59

ha! been called far worse things Grin

thans for luck - week long open paper that coincides with half term. that'll be fun!

pnod · 15/10/2011 20:31

I really wouldn't worry about the occasional pink & frilly toy. My DD had the cars, train sets, workbench etc. But she did have the occasional desire to play with Barbies and pink frilly fairy stuff. I felt it was appropriate for her to play with those things as long as she was being offered alternatives. To be honest, the car park, car racing thingy and Brio train was an awful lot more interesting. I bought some long plastic tubes and stuff (from a DIY store) to make it serious fun. It was. When she had her girly friends over with their girly mums who were adamant their fairy daughters would only play with pink girly toys - well, you can probably guess what happened. When the girly girls were picked up I did point out that had had some fun with cars; but it was like a scene from the Stepford Wives. Their mums would bat their eyelids and rule out that their daughters would ever play with boys toys. I can't remember a single girl who didn't enjoy the car racer.

One particular afternoon springs to my mind. My daughter had a friend over and they wanted to dress up and use make-up. They spent hours in all sorts of raggedy clothes. They used lipstick and eye make-up for some kind of alien scene. Their faces were red and they had painted scars using 'extra-long eyelash wonder'. I spent a good half hour with cream and toilet paper trying to make my daughter and her friend presentable for her mum to pick her up. When her mum came I told her they had been playing dressing-up and that they had used make-up. I was trying to explain their, errr, well slightly blushed look. She smiled and said, ' little girls just loving dressing up nicely and putting on make-up, don't they? The girls turned around and gave me the world's cheekiest grins.

Now, 5 years on, there is little chance of getting my daughter, now 13, into anything pink. She thinks girls who cover themselves up with make-up are a bore. Yes, she is getting into fashion - but she can still come home covered in mud.

I'm chuffed to bits to hear there are mums out there who are offering alternatives - just a shame I never met any. I have to admit, it was tedious at times. I do remember trying to buy my daughter knickers when she was around 11. We couldn't find anything that wasn't pink and cheesy. She said she would rather drop dead than wear anything like that. I just wanted to buy her knickers and at some point I would have settled for mildly pink. I actually had to order her underwear online abroad. Quite shocking, really.

There is some serious conditioning going on and it makes me sick. It is so important for both girls and boys to have access to construction toys, dolls arty toys - the whole lot. Why shouldn't boys make things out of beads and frills? Why are toys even gender specific? Why did I feel like an alien having a girl who had a train set? Why on earth do we deprive our children of these things? What are we afraid of? An artistic son with social skills and a feminine side - scary, or what? A daughter who enjoys constructing things? I don't get it. I don't know about you, but I find men with a feminine side highly desirable. In my experience they tend to be highly intelligent, witty and fabulous fathers. Isn't a witty mum who can repair things, play football with the kids an awful lot more fun than a Stepford Wife?

And back to the OP: I'd be more concerned about your childminder's stereotypes. I would certainly address that. Then again, it's a fairly lonely battle and just offering her some exciting gender neutral stuff and boys toys with the right messages might be enough to guide your DD. It certainly worked for my DD.

Now I've only got to get her through watching over-sexualised music videos with gang rape and girls are there to be f*ed style content. Help.

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