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when you engage with the trolls

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MitchiestInge · 04/09/2011 00:14

. . . is it a personal thing (actually engaging emotionally) or are you communicating with a wider, more silent audience or are there other motivations?

I can't work out why more people don't ignore them, but every now and then the exchanges are unintentionally funny or interesting - although mostly it gets very dull very quickly. Wondering what's in it for them too.

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BobBanana · 05/09/2011 12:11

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brokendreams · 05/09/2011 12:12

wtf?what was wrong with my post?
it was a civil question!

AnyFucker · 05/09/2011 12:12

how to make friends and influence people eh ?

bang-on, Bob, waaaaaaaay to go Grin

BobBanana · 05/09/2011 12:13

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AnyFucker · 05/09/2011 12:14

I am hurt and crushed < sob >

BobBanana · 05/09/2011 12:15

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brokendreams · 05/09/2011 12:16

oh i think my post was deleted cos im not allowed to steal anyfuckers biscuits!

AnyFucker · 05/09/2011 12:17

BD...you steal my biscuits at your peril !

next time, you will be shot !

brokendreams · 05/09/2011 12:17

yeah i believe you bob

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AnyFucker · 05/09/2011 12:27

Replacing my biscuits with ones that have bites out of them is not going to get past me ya know

CRIKRI · 05/09/2011 12:31

With reference to the OP, I know it's lazy, but I hope folks don't mind if I c & p something I just put on the "Feminists Aren't Man Haters" thread, as it relates to trolling behaviours.

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Yes, the difficulty is trying to tease out which folks are the "genuine enquirers" and which are the "bullshitters with an agenda," since they don't turn up with neat labels pinned to their jumpers and at first glance, can appear quite similar.

However, I don't think we should assume that "genuine enquirers" are all going to be shrinking violets, recoiling in fear if challenged or questioned about their approach in any way. I know, for example, I didn't join an anti-racist campaign organisation when I lived in London with the expectation that I'd be fawned over, or even "rewarded" for being a "good" white person, willing to support the rights of marginalised non-white people. I expected to hear things that would make me squirm, make me feel deeply uncomfortable but most of all, make me think and hopefully make me not assume that I was completely right about stuff. I also recognised that for many Black, Asian and ethnic minority people, their experience of engagement with white people has probably not been terribly good.

They'll have experienced ignorant, ill-informed comments, patronising attitudes, defensiveness, fear or even abuse. It's a big ask to think that they'll automatically assume that as a white person, I'm not going to be like that. I understand and fully accept that I need to "earn" trust and if it's not forthcoming, it's probably because I am saying or doing something wrong, not because they are "doing anti-racism" wrong.

So, imho, I don't believe those folks who are "genuine" in their support for a movement, or wanting to lend their support, are going to wail and gnash their teeth if someone dares to ignore them, question their comments, challenge their assertions or even suggest that they might be a troll. They'll understand that the frosty or unpleasant response they get isn't a patch on the real marginalisation, oppression and abuse that members of the group experience in RL and on message boards, just for being who they are. They'll be patient, they'll try and learn, they'll stick with it.

Yes, it's important to label the comments and behaviour without personal attacks, but there are bound to be some folks who can't (rather won't) recognise the difference - particularly those who are determined to feel offended and to whine that they are being silenced/judged/labelled/etc., when challenged or questioned (or sometimes even just not agreed with.) If they throw a hissy fit and/or leave, that was something they probably planned to do anyhow, so no skin off anyone's nose.

AnyFucker · 05/09/2011 12:35

< applause >

brokendreams · 05/09/2011 12:36

ha ha ha ha ha at anyfucker.
you know what ive noticed...depite getting these fuckwits coming here all the time and disrupting this board...we all still hang on to our sense of humour.
[you can almost see the trolls and mras spontainisly combust when they realise they cant fuck us over]
actually-although this is all annoying[the trolls and mras]...i think we re doing ok.

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AnyFucker · 05/09/2011 12:41

oh we are doing fine, bd

the derailers never manage to derail for very long

we have our sport with them, and off they go

which brings us right back to the crux of the OP

how do I engage with the trolls on the Feminsist board ?

I piss 'em off until they get bored of me...works every time, especially in combo with posts like CRIKRI 's Grin

brokendreams · 05/09/2011 12:47

well what i cant understand is this..when i reported posts for using dodgy words..i get told"we are going to let this stand as blah blah blah.
yet..i ask bob where has his sidekick gone and will he be back later...and my post is deleted quicker than i can blink.

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