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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The London Riots: The Elephant in the Room

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smugaboo · 08/08/2011 23:19

I am probably being too quick off the mark in posting this as people are still digesting what is happening in London and Birmingham. I have seen references on here to police "shutting down the internet" and "shooting protesters" (rubber bullets, so that's okay). Let's hope that's the shock talking. But when the dust settles and people start analysing the root causes of the riots (i.e. social problems, poverty, unemployment, cultural concerns) one thing that will inevitably be overlooked, or at least not given enough attention, is the fact that this is gendered violence. It hardly needs to be said that very few women are involved in the actual rioting although I don't doubt that there are quite a number involved in looting. The same can be said in most similar situations anywhere in the world.

So I guess what I'm interested in exploring is whether or not this is actually gendered violence as such. Are the wives, mothers and sisters of the protestors sitting at home cheering them on? Is the only reason they don't join in fear for personal safety? Or do they feel fundamentally differently? I mean, would they ever be the ones to precipitate the violence? Do the males feel more disaffected - or are they actually more disaffected (I hardly think so!). Or, controversially, does this opportunity stir up some innate desire in males to simply be violent?

I've got to disappear but I'd love to hear what you think.

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claig · 13/08/2011 20:11

Agree. I think the real problem is crime and criminal gangs which lure young boys in to join them. In that environment single parents have a more difficult job of controlling young men and preventing them from joining up.

AyeRobot · 13/08/2011 20:20

joaninha, it always strikes me when I hear about Scandinavian (and Dutch) policies and/or come across Scandinavians (or the Dutch) in the media or irl (apart from that nutter), that our society (and the US) needs to grow the fuck up in comparison.

swallowedAfly · 13/08/2011 20:23

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sparky680 · 13/08/2011 20:25

archie[fri-22.32]
i do appologise-i missed youre post.
yep-i agree with you.
thankyouSmile-i wish more people had youre outlook.

claig · 13/08/2011 20:30

I think it is obvious that we are in for huge changes on the welfare front. This terrible eviction issue may only be teh beginning. Someone on teh politics section has linked to Oborne's article in todays's Telegraph. Yesterday Oborne told us how society is corrupt from top to bottom. Today he tells us what New Labour did wrong. He mentions some of the things we have discussed on this thread. It is clear that there is a change in the wind, and the Tories are really going to change things. I fear it will go too far.

swallowedAfly · 13/08/2011 20:30

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claig · 13/08/2011 20:34

I don't think it's just Tories. I believe they are all in it together. Just like cuts would have happened under Labour too, so welfare would have been transformed under them too. I wonder how much Miliband will really oppose these eviction policies. I believe the establishment is in charge and has decided what it wants to do.

claig · 13/08/2011 20:36

They all danced to Murdoch's tune and I think they will all dance to this tune.

joaninha · 13/08/2011 20:42

SAF: "basically: single mothers exist and they're not going anywhere so get over it and change work and education so that they can access and contribute like everyone else."

Amen to thatGrin

claig · 13/08/2011 20:43

When you think about some of the sentences, they seem excessive.
Someone who robbed a £3.50 bottle of water got 6 months. A message is being sent out and the message of eviction is being propagated.

claig · 13/08/2011 20:45

I doubt that Miliband will do much complaining.

sparky680 · 14/08/2011 20:52

yep-they do seem very excessive Claig[sat 20.43]

sunshineandbooks · 14/08/2011 23:36

Where is your blog SaF? Smile

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