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Why are elderly women so ignored by society ...

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Winetta · 01/08/2011 12:51

... when our own Queen is an elderly woman?!

It seems strange that the Queen can be so widely admired for her knowledge, wisdom, longevity, servitude yet older women as a general rule are so invisible and their brilliance overlooked.

Obviously I'm talking generally, but has anyone else thought this and what can we do to change this?!

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exoticfruits · 04/08/2011 09:03

It is actually nothing to do with age. There are women on here in their 20's who are possessive control freaks-they won't have changed when they get to be MIL. If you were tolerant and laid back you are not going to change when you are older-unless you get dementia-something that is rarely allowed for in arguments about 'old biddies'.

NotQuiteSoDesperate · 04/08/2011 09:41

This thread is very interesting. I have only recently found MN and have got seriously addicted to reading the threads - I am also 54. The ageism is pretty astounding - particularly the way that everyone over 50 is kind of lumped in together as "mad" or "old" or "past it". I work full-time, am the breadwinner for my family and have two young adult sons. I don't think "old", I am very technically competent and am at the peak of my career. I never stop learning new things for my own interests and to better my career. In fact, I often find that younger people are more set in their ways than I am.

Funnily enough, I find that as I get older I am more accepted as a kind of leader in my profession to younger colleagues, which is nice. But then, maybe that's because I now fit the stereotype of my profession perfectly - no bun, but middle aged, woman, with glasses - yes, I'm a librarian! :)

No, I won't go down the surgery, botox route. Can't afford it and don't want to do that. I can't say I'm happy about the wrinkles and chin hairs, but when I think about how my Mum dressed and acted at this age, there does seem to be a real difference in attitude. But maybe the world hasn't caught up with that yet!

exoticfruits · 04/08/2011 12:17

I don't think that the world has caught up NotQuiteSoDesperate. I never met my grandmother, she died before I was born, but I can see that by my age she was old. The world has moved on. I am over 50 and go running most days-I can see from remarks on here that many a young mum wouldn't get to the end of their road without having to stop for a rest! I can't think of much that I wouldn't have a go at.
I would prefer to look younger but it doesn't bother me-there is no way I would have botox or surgery-but I am young in mind which is what matters.

garlicbutter · 04/08/2011 13:04

Interesting :) And good to see there are some other posters the wrong side of middle-aged! I imagine the reason ageism is noticeable on Mumsnet is that we're engaged in conversations with younger adults speaking freely. At work or in Starbucks, they're less likely to rant about the crapness of "old" people while you're within earshot - they'll do it about you, after you've left!!

I was part of a mass redundancy program when I was 48. From my department (of about 50 people), all eleven of us were aged over 40. Coincidence? Surely not ...

Things get worse as people get older, certainly, and women's problems get worse faster than men's. I don't see any point in limiting this discussion to the over-70s, though, for several reasons.

Ageing is different for each generation. My 80yo mother has lived longer than her parents and is aeons 'younger' than her grandmother at 80. My generation is much 'younger' than our parents were at our age. Our old age won't be the same as our parents': we will probably be significantly poorer, but fitter and more mentally agile. (And the British climate will be colder.)

We are the 'baby boomers', our generation causes a population bulge at every stage. We will be the elderly population everybody seems so scared of. It's up to us to deal with that, 'cause no-one else ever has nor ever will.

Our social and economic environment has changed, and continues to change, almost beyond recognition. The Britain in which we are elderly will not be the one experienced by today's 80-year-olds.

Age prejudice kicks in much younger than you expect. If any woman thinks she's immune until 60, she's got a few shocks ahead.

There's an interesting feminist challenge in this: Can women turn their loss of patriarchal value into a strong advantage? If we're becoming invisible, could that lead to a stealth attack? I was thinking not - as we're not only invisible, but also mute - then I remembered the WI Grin Everyone forgets it exists, except for the odd joke about cake competitions, but in fact it's a very influential body that can affect government policy.

We need to be far less silent! We also owe it to ourselves to learn more about the diseases of ageing, such as alzheimer's, arthritis, osteoporis, cataracts, sclerosis, etc, and start taking care that their effects are better managed and more widely understood.

garlicbutter · 04/08/2011 13:25

Forgot to thank you, Miranda - I'm not fab, just eccentric Grin

omnishambles · 04/08/2011 13:31

I think there are massive class and race based differences here as well actually - if you are a middle class older women and you are active in the community/church/parish council etc then you are actually very visible and rightly so - you have both the time and the experiences and skills to be so.

When my mother (mid-60s) ended up in hospital though, sadly for the last time she didnt get the treatment she needed until too late because they wrote her off as an elderly person - she looked much older than she was and refused to dye her hair etc as she was against vanity in all forms.

Am not sure what I am trying to say here maybe that the ageism is actually mroe institutionally based than it is individual iyswim.

Am not sure what to make of the antiageing attempts as well if they get you noticed in contexts like healthcare. Althoug harguably if less women dyed their hair and had treatments then my mother would have looked more 'normal' for her age.

EggyAllenPoe · 04/08/2011 13:38

it isn't even 'elderly' women that are ignored..

women over 35 are underrepresented n TV ..and women over 50 are the most underrepresented group in the UK in terms of people appearing on TV..

this points to the 'no longer eye candy ergo no longer relevant' judgement being correct.

MirandaGoshawk · 04/08/2011 20:14

Terrific last post garlic Smile
If you're eccentric then I want to be eccentric too!

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