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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gutted about Rebekah Brooks

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BornSicky · 05/07/2011 23:53

Fully aware that this is probably the last consideration on most people's minds fiven the gravity of the growing offences NI, NOTW and its staff are involved in, but wanted to voice this.

Journalism, especially tabloid journalism is such a male and historically misogynistic area, that to see a woman at the top of such a large organisation is rare and some might say a big achievement. Rebekah Brooks must have clawed her way up there and dealt with some pretty nasty crappy to get there, so why, oh why is she embroiled in, if not responsible for this disgusting series of events which may yet prove to be criminal?

I know that many women don't want to be seen as a standard bearer for their gender, but it is miserable (for me), to see such a senior and well known business woman that has such poor ethics.

I sometimes wonder if at that kind of business level women adopt more masculine associated traits (machismo), a la Thatcher, to keep in their field to the detriment of their character and identity.

Brooks wrote in her staff letter about doing positive things for high profile cases involving the abuse/murder of women and girls. Awful to now see that she is potentially guilty of harming most the people she claimed to care for most...

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SpringHeeledJack · 06/07/2011 21:00

"The battle for better protection of children from paedophiles and better rights for the families and the victims of these crimes sold shitloads of papers defined my editorships."

BornSicky · 06/07/2011 21:00

minipie take your point.

I've been mulling this over some more. I think when it's a woman in a senior position, it's more that I want to support or champion them, because it's so damn hard to get there.

With Rebekah Brooks, I just can't support her (never have been able to) and even more so now. Now, in fact, I really hate what she's done as a Journalist, and as a female journalist. Think I'm possibly guilty of sexism here, but it's that glass ceiling all the time.

damn, damn proud of Justine and Mumsnet though.

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BornSicky · 06/07/2011 21:03

SHJ cackled out loud there!

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LilBB · 07/07/2011 13:08

It is a shame when anyone high up in a huge company does something so vile and unforgivable. It's a shame when this person is a woman. However Rebekah Brooks is clearly not a feminist or even a nice person. She has shown that by working on The Sun and working for Rupert Murdoch. I don't know why she seems to have been heralded as a great woman. She hardly edited a great newspaper. That paedophile campaign was ridiculous witch hunting. Although I did hear the other day that the paedeatrition story is an urban myth. She did nothing to get rid of page 3. It's absolute BS that she didnt know about the phone hacking, she was on holiday whilst some of the biggest crime stories where being written up? If she's telling the truth she was a pretty shit editor.

She needs to step down and immediately.

Terribletriplets · 07/07/2011 13:18

Agree with sgb and springheeledjack.

LilBB · 07/07/2011 13:23

Oh god it's not an urban myth. How shameful!!
Here

Bue · 08/07/2011 12:30

I know what you mean, Born. You want to be able to support a woman in a high profile role like that. And it is a little disappointing when you just can't.

I know this won't be popular but I kind of went off her when she changed her name personally and professionally. I generally do not have a problem with a considered name change, but it just seemed like a big "F You" to feminism to alter her professional identity so publicly when she was at the top of her game.

donnie · 08/07/2011 12:37

She is loathsome. A complete anti-feminist and a supporter of the sexualisation and dumbing down/deculturalisation of society. She is vile and has no integrity, shame or dignity at all. She is not just a disgrace to women - she is a disgrace to all people whatever their gender.

I would rather live in penury than be like her.

HoneyNorwegianRidgebackdragon · 08/07/2011 12:38

Another thread has surfaced indicating she may be arrested this afternoon

PurpleStrawberryGuava · 08/07/2011 12:39

Rumours abound that she will be arrested this afternoon.

LilBB · 08/07/2011 12:41

Why should Andy Coulson have to leave two jobs and be arrested over this and yet with Rebekah Brooks they would rather sack a further 200 than get rid of her? Surely no one is that good at their job? I hope she does get arrested as it's only fair she take some of the shit for it too.

donnie · 08/07/2011 12:45

LilBB - exactly.

fluffles · 08/07/2011 12:51

imo she is an awful person in an awful industry beahving awfully AngrySad

BUT... pertinent to a discussion last week, about the harrods girl - she doesn't wear make up... interesting... all the people who said that makeup was 'necessary' to project a professional image and get ahead as a woman.. funny how that doesn't seem to apply to her Confused

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 08/07/2011 23:51

I don't think Rebekah Wade is an example of feminism Going Too Far or anything like that. She does unfortunately demonstrate that some women, like some men, are just complete shits.
Oh and given her paper's fondness for raking over other people's private lives all the time, let's not forget that actually she is adomestic violence perpetrator.

falasportugues · 10/07/2011 00:46

Hasn't she gone yet?

ll31 · 10/07/2011 01:35

I just would have disliked her in some ways as editor of paper like now - page 3, stories etc. Now, it just seems awful - particularly Milly Dowler, 7/7 victims etc.. but from feminist point of view I'm not sure how I feel - in some ways - like how would any woman want to be involved in now.... but given that she was - is she deserving of any good feelingas woman... I dont think I know ....

I think shutting of now is pure economic decision by murdochs.. no feminsts issue just economic

piprabbit · 10/07/2011 01:58

Expecting a woman to be more ethical, more caring, less cut-throat just because she is a woman - isn't that a rather paternalistic idea?

ll31 · 10/07/2011 02:04

yep I think you're right piprabbigt

BitOfFun · 10/07/2011 02:12

We live in a misogynistic system which prioritises profit. Any woman (or man) who rises to the top of that is generally facilitated by their willingness to maintain the status quo.

BornSicky · 10/07/2011 13:01

hadn't thought of it like that piprabbit, but you could be right.

I think BoF is on the money, so to speak.

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mathanxiety · 10/07/2011 21:00

Where did you get the idea that women are somehow the purer sex? Did you grow up in deValera's Ireland?

BornSicky · 10/07/2011 21:14

I don't think they are the purer sex. But, as I've said upthread, it's about solidarity with other members of my sex, IYSWIM?

Irrational, maybe; encouraging paternalism (as piprabbit says), possibly; but it's my instinctive reaction when a woman rises or falls from power, or is highly visible.

So, where does it come from, and why is it bad? (beginning to think it is based on lots responses here).

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pointydog · 10/07/2011 21:19

People are individuals. Many of them do not feel any affinity with any sort of collective sisterhood/brotherhood principles.

mathanxiety · 10/07/2011 22:23

I really don't think the favour was ever returned BornSicky.

BornSicky · 10/07/2011 22:36

well thanks for that brilliant insight mathanxiety.

I'm not the only one that has this kind response (again, see upthread), (albeit Rebekah Brooks is so far on the side of wrong it's silly); I'm just interested in where it comes from.

I don't, or didn't, think it was a negative thing until I saw the responses here.

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