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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Academic attainment and feminism?

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suwoo · 08/05/2011 22:32

I have wanted to start this thread all day but have been scared that it is stupid or I will be flamed. I want to ask if people feel there is a correlation between academic attainment and feminist principles. Is that a valid question?
I had no idea that I was a feminist. I knew I had these thoughts and principles but didn't know what they were or the significance of them until we did feminist literary theory this semester- it was like an epiphany and my whole world made sense

Had I not gone to uni at the grand old age of 35, maybe I would never had these revelations.

What do you think? Those of you that identify as a feminist, what level of education do you have?

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dittany · 13/05/2011 16:25

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motherinferior · 13/05/2011 16:38

(But Jane Austen's juvenlia is pretty terrific! 'I have no plans to marry, especially as I am not in want of money at the moment...' fab stuff.)

motherinferior · 13/05/2011 16:40

(That's from Lady Susan. Not a completely accurate quote, though, I've not read it for years.)

dittany · 13/05/2011 16:52

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motherinferior · 13/05/2011 16:58

I'm not missing the point, actually, I am adding an Irrelevant Footnote. And as I understand it, Sieglinde is pointing up some significant areas in which Dworkin didn't got the historical stuff wrong. Saying 'ah but that doesn't matter' is missing her point.

motherinferior · 13/05/2011 17:06

(I am also wanting to have a discussion about Sara Maitland's and Angela Carter's recuperations of fairy tales, because I find that profoundly interesting, but suspect that here is not the place not least because Carter is very interested in de Sade.)

dittany · 13/05/2011 17:11

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motherinferior · 13/05/2011 17:54

Er...actually there is the whole witch burning bad research too, which IMO is a bit significant given that the Dreadful Witchburnings Of Wimmin In Days Past was one of the things we went on about a lot back in the days when I went on a lot about this sort of thing.

dittany · 13/05/2011 17:59

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Bonsoir · 13/05/2011 18:00

[it is Marquis de Sade or Sade, never "de Sade"]

dittany · 13/05/2011 18:00

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sieglinde · 13/05/2011 18:07

I'm not focusing on it particularly, Dittany. I'm just registering that it exists and that it is hugely problematic. I don't think it helps women scholars to underperform in ways that would lead to returned work at undergraduate level.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 13/05/2011 18:08

'Dworkin noticed that men as a class hate women, use hideous violence against us and oppress us. But lets ignore that because she doesn't know the minutiae of European folk tales.'

I agree that would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. But why not read someone who can do both?

Prolesworth · 13/05/2011 18:10

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dittany · 13/05/2011 18:17

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LRDTheFeministDragon · 13/05/2011 18:18

I wouldn't teach Foucault and can't remember ever seeing him on a syllabus as an undergraduate ...

dittany · 13/05/2011 18:18

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LRDTheFeministDragon · 13/05/2011 18:20

dittany - for my subject area, I'd get them to read Jocelyn Wogan-Browne's stuff about hagiography (which talks a bit about fairy-tale archetypes but obviously it's the wrong period/country for Grimm). She's great, especially on women's bodies.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 13/05/2011 18:21

proles - that's interesting. I'm getting the impression I had the least theory-based undergrad degree possible! Grin

dittany · 13/05/2011 18:26

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LRDTheFeministDragon · 13/05/2011 18:31

No, she's not - I didn't explain very well maybe, but the point I'm getting at is that the ground has been broken. If I'm teach lit., why wouldn't I use someone who's drawn older work and also added to it? It's no insult to Dworkin to say that someone could correct parts of her work.

I am trying to work out how to teach more radical feminist theory though - I asked how you'd do it upthread but it got a bit buried.