Feminist analysis of the royal wedding

[DontdoitKatie]

This is one of the times when you realise how very lonely seeing things through a feminist lens can make you.

Patriarchy in all its glory.

I didn't see a Kate Millett interchange therefore I believe the poster claiming Toynbee is disqualified!

You're right AliceWorld. I'd forgotten about the Millet/French rules. Not used them in ages

(although I think you might be crediting LuckyWe with a touch too much wit)

I thought we were playing under the Dworkin Variations, but I got confused with the other thread.

Catherine MacKinnon

But surely the Dworkin variation would have led straight to Julie Bindel? Or am I getting confused with the Daly exception?

Nicely played Sybil!

Can I go back a few decades and offer a Simone de Beauvoir? I know it's not terribly popular but there is definitely a clear run from there to Toynbee.

Timewasting: it's not the same thing. Points about religion and the traditions of marriage are not dependent on the royal aspects. Anyone hoping for analysis of the Royal aspects won't find much here. There's actually more in the general Chat, AIBU and Royal Family threads.

Thank you MN for making this a discussion of the day!

I am so relieved to have found this thread after days of gushing, deeply sexist coverage in the newspapers and online. Kate?s dad giving her away ? not just supporting her down the aisle but physically passing her hand to the bishop who passed it to William made me queasy. My dad walked me down the aisle but we struck out the words ?Who gives this woman to this man?? from our wedding ceremony as DH & I found the question abhorrent.

In Jewish weddings the groom walks in with his mum & dad and the bride walks in with her mum and dad which I think is lovely.

Anyone see this letter in today?s Guardian?

?The feminist objections to Charles and Diana's wedding? proved to be the most accurate in both their analysis and their prediction of the likely outcome. We all knew that Diana was a young, unknowing girl who had been "kidnapped" by a powerful and cynical older man, backed up by the patriarchal establishment, for breeding purposes, and that it would end in tears. We wore our "Don't Do It, Di!" badges, but did anyone take any notice?...

having read the Sunday Times article (on their relationship in the last 10 years) it feel it's all feels a bit worse. I hope it's all lies.

What a load of misery guts you all are - killjoys and harpies the lot

dittany - you've clearly not been keeping abreast with the whole range of RW threads if you can think that. The nadir was all yesterday's shenanigans about bridesmaids. But there are other examples too.

The Camilla thread had a wide range of views and had a much fuller discussion of the Royal "narrative" (mentioned here only by SybilBeddowes and just now by SkaterGrrl. And the politics of Royal event invitations is going on now in AIBU.

This thread wedding comment in general on weddings, religion and the patriarchy than anything Royal.

The bridesmaids one was certainly started as a celebratory one, and became so nasty it had to be deleted.

I didn't spot any celebratory threads hat remained uncritical - and I thought I'd kept abreast of most of it.

Which are you thinking of?

"As far as I know there isn't any feminist examination going on about the wedding anywhere else."

No, indeed. It is very much a minority pursuit you've got going on there, dittany. Take a wild guess why

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Because we live in 2011 and most of us have minds of our own and don't see the need to get worked up about the deeper meaning for modern society of a bit of historical pageantry. We are mature enough to take it for what it is.

Move into the 21st century, dittany

I'm a feminist. I loved every minute of the wedding.
Especially the trumpets