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The Sex Education Show - Channel 4 now!

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sethstarkaddersmackerel · 19/04/2011 21:04

posting this on the Feminism topic so that lot see it, don't know if there is a thread elsewhere as well.

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sethstarkaddersmackerel · 19/04/2011 21:05

this is the series that did the programme on how teenagers views of sexuality have been distorted by porn; this one is called 'Stop pimping our kids' and it's about how younger children are affected by sexualised clothes, music etc.

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FriggFRIGG · 19/04/2011 21:06

im watching....

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 19/04/2011 21:08

oh and there's Justine!

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FriggFRIGG · 19/04/2011 21:12

i knew she'd pop up somewhere...

i was very Shock at those clothes!

deemented · 19/04/2011 21:13

Those knickers for 3 year olds.


AyeRobot · 19/04/2011 21:27

Interesting so far.

I do wish they wouldn't included "padded" bras in the shock-clothes section. I would have loved a lightly padded t-shirt bra when I was developing breasts so that they weren't so visible.

FriggFRIGG · 19/04/2011 21:29

3?! 3yr olds?!!

that is awful!

deemented · 19/04/2011 21:30

Yes, but these bras are specifucly aimed at prepubescant girls.

FriggFRIGG · 19/04/2011 21:31

i am NEVER going into primark again.ever.

JessinAvalon · 19/04/2011 22:19

I have just sent this e-mail to WHSmith customer relations:
([email protected] if you wish to e-mail too).

"Dear WHSmith*
About 18 months ago, I was in correspondence with Julia Cavilla of the customer relations department about WHSmith's inappropriate display of lads magazines.

The response that I received at the time was most unsatisfactory and the correspondence came to an end when WHSmith refused to put any more responses to my questions in writing. I was given the offer of a phone call at the time because WHSmith did not want to put anything further in writing.

The questions that I had asked were around the minimum height display for lads mags, which WHSmith had deemed to be 1.2m. I had sent WHSmith a Department of Health survey which showed that the height of the average 6-7 year old is now 1.2m and I asked why this height minimum had been decided upon and which age group WHSmith considered to be "children". WHSmith refused to answer either of these questions.

I do not expect WHSmith to respond satisfactorily this time either but I am writing to say that I am glad that The Channel 4 programme, The Sex Education Show, has targeted one of your stores and that this will shown on national television tomorrow evening.

I haven't shopped in WHSmith since our correspondence in 2008. I find WHSmith attitude to this matter irresponsible and contemptuous of those customers who do not wish to view these magazines when shopping in your stores."

*I did nickname them WHSmut at the time but refrained from using this in my e-mail!

JessinAvalon · 19/04/2011 22:21

Oh, and a few years ago, their former MD defended the reintroduction of 'Playboy' in their stores by saying that it's no different to the cover of FHM etc. Yet they put one at children's eye level and the other on the top shelf covered up. Funny that.

I did ask WHSmut why they thought they were so similar and yet treated them differently. They didn't bother to answer.

HerBEggs · 20/04/2011 09:23

I haven't shopped in WHSmith because of the playboy thing, for years.

It was when they started stockign pencil cases with the playboy logo on them, that I stopped patronising them...

rawfoodie · 21/04/2011 12:52

Has anyone been on the facebook page 'stop pimping our kids'. Its full of the most awful messages mocking the campaign (mostly men, but one women who confesses to be 'into' porn). I think this page should be taken down has anyone else seen it/agree????

HerBEggs · 21/04/2011 13:33

Not seen it, ahve you got a link?

aliceliddell · 21/04/2011 19:18

Raw - I will view offending FB comments later; I can imagine the kind of shite, but before I go, I'm guessing list of other more important things we should be worrying about. That's the fall-backwhen accusations of prudishness have failed. Truly tossers. Imagine equivalent on anti-racist page re: B&W minstrels?

aliceliddell · 21/04/2011 19:38

OMG it's even thicker than I imagined. Why stop lad's mags when kids can see pretty women on the beach and see their mother naked by 'walking in on' her? Why ban padded bra's then show me a 70 yr old man who 'confesses' he loves sex ? Losing will to live....

SueSylvesterforPM · 21/04/2011 20:32

there is another side to the padded bra thing that I mentioned in another thred, it many women see it as a form for modesty rather than pushing them up.

I developed very young and I would have benifitted from a padded 'moulded' bra. I got a lot of 'you've got nipple on' fron 9-13 then I discovered padded, never looked back I don't even have to think about it now.

I'd feel very exposed in one of those bras now

SueSylvesterforPM · 21/04/2011 20:33

the knickers n bikinis are the worst

Mia4 · 26/04/2011 12:31

Why ban padded bra's then show me a 70 yr old man who 'confesses' he loves sex? hy stop lad's mags when kids can see pretty women on the beach and see their mother naked by 'walking in on' her?

Because the padded bras are for 7 year olds and the 70 year old man is talking to 15 year olds??? Because there's a difference between seeing naked mum/dad/sister and seeing them naked and erotically posed? Because most beaches are not nudist beaches and ones that are are the parents responsibility to avoid?

Padded bras are great, especially for modesty, but soem are blatantly for very young kids 5/6/7, who are extremely unlikely to be developing yet. With that though we should be also be tackling societies view which promotes bigger breasts as attractive rather than celebrating all shapes/sizes. I do agree with their 'watersheds' for certain music vids like S&M and some Lady Gaga ones. If casualty can't be shown before 7pm because of blood/gore, then why smut? Some of the radio shows cut the lyrics before the watershed time which means the kids can't hear. Again, we aren't talking about teens whom the show is aimed at educating but young children, who shouldn't be learning stuff that will give them a warped veiw later on. My friend caught her kid with porn on his mobile, at age 9, when he was questioned about it (not yelled because curiousity is natural) the disturbing part was that he thought the porn-which was heavy BDSM was normal and that 'slapping girls around a bit' was acceptable during sex. Purely because he based the porn as being what sex should be. His mum and dad talked to him, deleted it and explained what it actually was, and about consent to him and how it was not acceptable to 'slap around during sex' unless it was agreed between two consenting adults and that it was a kink.

I would like the sex ed show to get more involved in consent and promoting 'yes means yes' over 'no means no'. On top of sex ed, that's somethign that importantly needs addressing- so many teens, especially girls, feel pressured especially when slut/frigid gets bandied about and so many kids feel like a failure if they haven't had sex because they judge against friends. It's soemthing that's been spoke of a bit, but not enough, and needs looking into more.

Catmilk · 20/05/2011 17:07

I am on that stupid SPOK page, after watching the idiotic program, and any arguments against the campaign are pretty well-put, better than bizarre discrediting here of one of the female critics that 'she's into porn' like that invalidates her arguments. In fact if you look at the FB page it is full... FULL... of reasonable people, mostly women/mothers saying the campaign has got ridiculous, claiming tight jeans and gold leggings are 'sexualizing' children... Nothing short of a burka would please these extremists it seems. There is even a FB page against the show, Stop Stop Pimping Our Kids, which is very funny.

Catmilk · 20/05/2011 17:20

rawfoodie, why on earth should a FB page be taken down because people are mocking its aims? Even the page is allowing criticism, is your instinct always to seek a ban if it annoys you?

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