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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How to eliminate the patriarchy?

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BelleCurve · 02/04/2011 15:05

Whilst researching the Institute of Directors recently I came across this fantastic piece of double-think on their website commenting on the gender pay gap -

"the Government should have accepted the hard evidence which shows that influences and choices made by women at the pre-employment stage are what generally lead to average gender pay differences"

It is just so sexist and privileged that it took my breath away for a moment.

Also, the Arab revolutions where it seems that one patriarchal system is being replaced by a potentially worse (for women) one has made me realise that these guys are never going to give up easily.

I have had enough of this system and need to focus my energies into solutions

This is a genuine question - how can we overcome, remove, eliminate the patriarchy?

PS - if after the other thread on this topic, you still don't "get" the patriarchy or don't see the problem, feel free not to contribute here.

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Prolesworth · 04/04/2011 13:14

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sakura · 04/04/2011 13:19

nice to see you're getting angry prolesworth Grin

dittany · 04/04/2011 13:30

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aliceliddell · 04/04/2011 13:38

Sakura-socialism and identifying politically with the proletariat is a political POV not a choice to live in a state of penury.
Dittany-I am a socialist and a feminist. But not a socialist-feminist because in practise they are apologists for sexist male 'socialists'. Why let them off the hook and allow their totally inadequate (because sexist) definition of socialism to be accepted as correct?

sakura · 04/04/2011 13:45

well quite aliceliddell, you took the words out of my mouth.

My posts are a feminist critique of the inner-workings of the patriarchy, but Classwar was implying that they counted for nothing because I have a husband, and therefore I should put my money where my mouth is and leave him

Whether I leave my husband or not does make any difference to the objective analysis though.

And by Classwar's own rule, if he should not claim any socialist pretenses if he owns a PC

sakura · 04/04/2011 13:45

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darleneconnor · 04/04/2011 13:46

Could women all go on strike? What would the effect be if we all stopped doing all the unpaid work we do, even just for 1 day?

What strikes me as self-defeating is the amount of power women freely give away to men. eg the vast majority of mothers give their children's fathers full parental rights, even though most dont take on the full responsibilities.

Women should own their own homes so that they are the ones in a position of power if a relationship breaks down or becomes violent.

Women in the workplace should favour other women over men, the way men do with each other. Men have us all fighting between each other depleating us of energy to band together to fight the common enemy. I see it time and time again women showing more affinity to men of the same age, race, class etc than to women from a different group.

We need to encourage 100% of women to vote. We fought for the right but now half of us dont use it! If we elect feminists then things will change.

StewieGriffinsMom · 04/04/2011 13:48

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sakura · 04/04/2011 13:50

Striking is very effective.

In 1975 the women of Iceland went on strike for a day
Including all unpaid and paid labou

Now they have a feminist lesbian prime minster who has banned all strip clubs and the most female friendly, mother-supporting, laws in the world.

"The men of Iceland are just going to have to get used to the idea that women are not for sale"

garlicbutter · 04/04/2011 14:01

I like your post, Darlene :) Didn't know about the Icelandic strike, Sakura - brilliant!

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garlicbutter · 04/04/2011 14:08

Mrs Pankhurst believed that, when women got the right to vote, we would use it to improve conditions for women. Well, of course, we have done. How about taking it a step further, then? How about campaiging for every woman to vote for a woman?

That should raise awareness of women's issues in Westminster Grin

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sakura · 04/04/2011 14:13

"How about campaiging for every woman to vote for a woman?"

I think this is a great idea. I think women should vote for women, not parties.

Left wing or right wing, it doesn't matter, when men get together they still fuck women over. The parties were created by and for men anyway; their policies don't serve women, except maybe the Green party. Isn't the head of the Greens a woman?

Anyway, I think this idea would work to a certain extent.

garlicbutter · 04/04/2011 14:15

The more I think about it, the more I love it! If the boys want to keep 'their' jobs, they'll have to field at least 50% female candidates, won't they?

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darleneconnor · 04/04/2011 15:02

I dont think just voting for any woman would help. Theresa May? Margaret Thatcher?
We need to vote for pro-women women.

aliceliddell · 04/04/2011 15:19

DarleneC - you're not wrong
From previous discussion it is apparent that's not women who support the gods of The Market. So not Tories, then. Or Lib Dems. Oh, or Labour. Maybe Green? small, low carbon markets, but still markets....but then I am an old lefty, so what do I know?

aliceliddell · 04/04/2011 15:26

on this subject, I am a candidate for my local anti-cuts group. I'm standing via TUSC (trade union socialist coalition) for reasons which need not detain us here. Their policy on sexism is "Full equality for women" which is obviously a bit crap. I am planning to campaign to change this to something a little more rounded. Your ideas would be appreciated.

aliceliddell · 04/04/2011 15:47

I just read darlenec's pro-women women to dp. He asked what about pro-women men? Oh, ffs.

StewieGriffinsMom · 04/04/2011 16:16

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HerBeX · 04/04/2011 20:42

LOL he obviously tunes out, AL

sakura · 05/04/2011 01:36

ClassWar, it's not replacing one masters for another. What you are talking about is the essence of a male revolution.

It will be, for the first time in history, women no longer being dictated to by men. Look at the way women have been treated by men over the millenia. It can't go on. Women need power over their own lives.
No more Men's Laws Women's LIves

sakura · 05/04/2011 01:40

and I think voting for a woman, any woman, is better than voting for a man whose political views most closely represent your own.

30% is what the prime minister of Iceland says. Get 30% of the power in women's hands and a shift takes place, the female energy synergizes and women are no longer tokens: they can propose the policies they believe in

get a man who is a socialist/conservative, what have you and politics is still being framed by the male worldview

Every problem: the class issue, racism the environment all boils down to female oppression because the oppression of women is the original prototype for all oppressions