Boycotting countries were women do not have equality in law

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Why don't we?. Why was there no stigma attached to holidaying in Eygpt, am channelling my DP's father here who wouldn't visit Spain until Franco died. Please note I am not equating racism and sexism, but am old enough to remember aparthied in South Africa and the many boycotts of South African goods. It was unacceptable to support that regime then, why is there no similar outcry about dealing with countries where women are not equal before the law.

I know there is very little awareness of which countries require that women have legal guardians and I have no idea how you avoid buying oil and it's many products from specific countries. But again the but i am deeply deeply disturbed and angry that this is tolerated and tacitly condoned. I honestly don't know what the answer is and am hoping someone somewhere is already doing something that I just don't know about it.

and i agree with you that religion and culture are used to opress women? havent i repeatedly said that cultures are sexist?

i agree with you, what im trying to understand is what is femenism actually about? is it about the womens right to choose? or what?

No: you misunderstand. In as much as you can "like" a religion, I "like" Islam, and I respect it. This is going to sound shallow but I like the Five Pillars, I like the gentleness, I like the culture, the artefacts, I know this sounds shallow but I like it. What can I say.

The burkha doesn't represent Islam. You know this. If you are trying to say that it does, then I'll go right off Islam in an instant. But it doesn't.

oh gawd where do I start.

Everyone's definition of feminism is different, but mine is simply the recognition that women are full human beings like men and that the world has got to be re-organised to recognise and accomodate that and to allow women to take their place alongside men as full members of society, not second class members of practically all societies on earth. And that that doesn't mean women slotting in to a world designed for men, it means re-designing the world so that both men and women can function in it as equal parts of humanity.

Very vague and wishy washy. Someone else might have a better one.

Here is a really interesting discussion on Arab feminism in the context of the recent revolutions.

does equality in your opinion and the femenist opinion mean the same? so men should do same share of childcare etc, should be same amount of sahd as sahms?

im not making any point just asking

sorry for hijacking th thread

Hmm, don't know, I would say yes if both parties want that. Feminism is much more broadly for me about people not being constrained in gender roles.

There's a thread running at the moment about SAHMing it's here

Do you know I think there are very few things which piss me off as much as cultural relativism. It's ultimately so fucking racist. It really does seem to me to be about usually White liberals saying that they don't give a shit about brown people's rights and dressing that up as some kind of blow for freedom.

'How do you know they don't want to be opressed in a way that would make you shake with fury if it were your own little girls we were talking about?'

ok... but what if it wasnt a white liberal but for example a women in niqaab standing up for her right to show whatever parts of her body she felt comfortable and cover whatever she wished?

i dnt wear niqaab btw...

anyway we digress sorry op, but you are right there should be more awareness.

You can paint yourself purple and stand in Trafalgar Square reading aloud from the collected works of Jeremy Clarkson for me. But when you start denying women in other cultures the same basic ethical treatment you want for yourself and your own daughters on the basis that they might not want those rights it's really hypocritical and mendacious tbh.

ooooh herbex please can you start a new thread where we discuss to kill a mockingbird from a feminist perspective

it's years since i read it but it would be fascinating

you start

unrulysun i am saying what i want for myself and my daughters....

and i dont know what mendacious means

I will suggest it for bookclub shall I?

Good idea, HerBex. I read it again last summer with my new feminist lenses in my eyes and have the film recorded to watch. There's a lot to talk about in it, isn't there?

Had a google for stuff on legal guardianship after it was mentioned on here and found This organisation Seems like it would be of interest to many on here. And This too from Human Rights Watch

Just for the record, I am all for choice if it is a free one. Unfortunately, so many choices for women are Hobson's choices.

Who's your guardian then?

And yes yes yes to 'To Kill A Mockingbird' on the book club. I recently re-read it and had some difficulty thinking about the whole Mayella Ewell thing. Although I think she's as much of a victim as anyone else tbh.