Sick of all the crap we have to put up with because we had the audacity to be born female!!!

[thefinerthingsinlife]

I'm so bloody angry that we are seen as overreaction when we challenge misogynistic behaviour.

We obviously should just put up with it and look pretty!

So fricking depressing. Sometime I wonder if it was better for my mental health pre being a feminist when I was ignorant to it all

I often feel like that, then I meet a likeminded person and faith is restored

Sorry I don't mean that I'm just sick of having to constantly battle for women/feminism IYSWIM

That's why I like to come on here and vent because I know that i'm not alone

it is getting to me at the moment too.
I spent yesterday looking after my small children including changing 4 pooey nappies and wiping two toddler bottoms, and reading sexist crap from this publicly funded ignorant arsehole and his equally ill-read and hard-of-thinking supporters.
how did the world get arranged like this?!

I sympathise completely with the OP. Somedays I am just filled with feminist rage! Thank god for these forums and for my RL feminist groups that help keep me sane.

Me too.
It's so INFURIATING that perfectly justifiable anger is seen as so sniggerworthy.

So. You're angry because of apparent misogyny. While I'd empathize with you if you were refused work; promotion or credit, there's parallels to be drawn between your apparent aggravation at (often mistakenly took) chauvinism and a child's reaction to similar cases.

Really, while I'm not trying to 'play down' bigotry in any way, shape or form, I can assure you that your position can be improved significantly by taking a more light-hearted approach to life rather than attempting to tackle offensive behaviour with near-hysteria.

Take a step back, view things from a more balanced perspective and see it for what it really is - often sarcastic/dark humour rather than pure hatred or in-built disgust that other groups have been subjected to.

At the end of the day, you've equal (or, rather, better) opportunities nowadays and you're not a minority group in the slightest. Taking offence and becoming needlessly infuriated or angry at men in general is silly when the real, well-considered route is crystal clear.

Make the best out of your life, do what you want and at the end of the day if you feel you're happy with how things are, you'll have the last laugh.

And - as a last, rather less serious note - in before I'm drowned in a sea of feminist hatred.

Get educated WBA, look about you. And lose the patronising twaddle. Ok?

I also feel the same way.

But some feminist things have improved my mental health. Becoming more aware of sexism in the media has made me seek out media that isn't sexist. Reading and seeing other women's experiences through the media has made me feel more sane and more proud of being a woman.

'Patronising twaddle'? I'm suggesting feminism took a more rational course rather than constantly coming up with the same knee-jerk reactions.

Obviously me saying 'it's actually in your hands' is an absurd - if not entirely mad - statement to make, obviously you can't do anything, as your objection seems to heavily imply.

Get better rebuttal. ;)

i think wba could possibly be a man?

I think that's rather clear.

oooh pardon me mr smartypants!

I'm very much pro equality, I love the idea in fact and can't see a reason against it at all. However feminism seems to take the wrong route completely and holds views that border on the extreme, that's all I'm saying.

I agree with Dittany. I am interested in the original topic. I am interested in the OP's remark about mental health.

Three things (other than this section) have brought me back to feminism. One I don't feel able to talk about, one is having a daughter and the impact pornification is going to have on her, and the other is DH becoming disabled.

DH is pretty much the same person as he was pre-disability, but he is treated entirely differently by people due to their prejudice and discriminatory behaviour. Seeing him go through that process made me realise just how little of how minority groups get treated is about them and their behaviour. It is about other people's behaviour.

Many of us have a tendency to blame ourselves when we experience discrimination and prejudice; we think it is our personal fault and that we have brought it upon ourselves. We haven't, and although it is distressing and depressing to look discrimination in the face, it is also depressing to deny that discrimination and think that you are being treated a certain way or are uncomfortable with the way society operates because there is something wrong with you.

We don't need to change ourselves. We just need to be ourselves more actively so that we can change our society.

The guy I sit next to in work is moving away soon and he said to me yesterday that, although he didn't always agree with what I said, I had opened his eyes a lot. Which was really nice to hear. And he acknowledged that, once you start seeing the inequality, it could drive you mad.

As for WBA, classic concern troll. Comes onto to a thread on which we are venting and tells us we are going about things the wrong way. Hmmm.... Where have I heard that before? IMO most women aren't angry enough because they either just don't see it or they are too wary of challenging the status quo. Imagine what would happen if we were all angry suddenly!

Well I've been posting lately about feeling the same, thefinerthings. I am starting to look at people who speak up with new admiration. Thank goodness there were people in history who did speak out - about Naziism, about slavery, about civil rights, about women not voting. But it is so depressing, once you learn about the realities of sexism, to see it all around you and to be laughed at, or sneered at for standing up against it.

In the last week, I have been told by new fewer than THREE different people that, while they agree with me that things are wrong, I need to be careful I don't begin to start appearing like someone who hates men and ridicules them!

That's another level of infuriating, isn't it FlamingoBingo?

Yes, because if you don't sit on your hands and button your lip someone, somewhere, might think that you have Spoken Against Our Earthly Masters, and then who knows what will happen? FFS. This is why people self-police isn't it. "oh god, someone might think that I don't like men. Panic!"

Somehow this never seems to bother men who make sexist remarks about women (not saying you've been making sexist remarks btw) - do men say e.g. "women are shit drivers" and then have an inward backflip and come back with a panicked "of course, I love women, women are great, shit, hope no-one thinks I don't like women!"?

wba logic is that depression and anger results from a mismatch of our expectations with reality. Saying we should change our attitudes and expectations (perhaps by medicating with drugs, alcohol) may be best on an individual level but cannot work for society as a whole. Societies improve when people become dissatisfied and want change. Anger is a very important and powerful tool

He's saying "give up" basically.

Obviously someone who doesn't understand that if feminists stand still women's rights get gradually eroded. Things don't just stay as good as they are now, they roll back.

And, wba, we'd all be sexists if we assumed that you were a man just because you're telling us we're doing feminism wrong.

Oh Elephants! You're so right!

Right, next time someone says to me 'you don't want to look like one of those feminists who hate men', I'm going to say 'you mean like all those men who worry about people thinking they hate women when they make sexist remarks?' and make this face: .