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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why dont they teach feminism in school?

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foureleven · 15/08/2010 10:48

Had an interesting conversation with my DSD yesterday.

I 'got her' when she was 8 and she is now 11. I deliberately havent activly taught her femisist theory as I didnt want to tred on her mothers toes for a while. I am always open about my views but have never really explained the theory behind them if you know what I mean.

ANyway, after a comment from her yesterday in the car where by she told me she wanted to be in a beauty pagent and thought it would feel great if people chose her to win because she was prettiest and therefore 'best' I felt I couldnt hold back.

So I explained the beginnings of feminism, the activists who campaigned about Miss World/ US etc and why a lot of people, me included feel that to be judged on your appearance alone (not to mention be expected to pay for the privalige, the contest she wanted to go in cost £90 to enter) is wrong.

She listened intently and we had a good conversation about it all. I still think she thinks Im a bit barmy as her mother loves that kind of thing. But anyway my shock is mainly at why the hell is all this new to her??? She had genuinely never heard anything about the feminist view on this... or on anything! I know shes only 11 but as kids nowadays seem to be being exposed to this kind of thing so young, surely schools have a rsponsibility to challenge this particular area of pop culture?

My DD has a gender equality policy at her school which made me Grin Grin but DSD has nothing of the sort, nor at the secondary school she is starting Confused of course they have racism and bullying policies but nothing to do with gender or sex descrimination.

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tethersend · 15/08/2010 11:05

They have to have an equal opps policy by law which covers gender, disability, race and sexuality...

I teach children with behavioural difficulties, and am constantly shocked at the low aspirations schools have for low-achieving girls. They are routinely steered towards hair and beauty or childcare courses and nothing else. They often have no idea that some careers exist.

It is a huge problem, and one that is particularly prevalent amongst lower-achieving children.

Prolesworth · 15/08/2010 11:17

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HerBeatitude · 15/08/2010 11:22

Oh GOD how I fucking hate schools when it comes to this.

Anti racism policies coming out of their ears but anti-sexism.... nada. They refer you to their equality policy, which pays lip service to gender, but they simply don't treat it with the same seriousness and focus as they do racism.

I'm all for a campaign to get these issues discussed in schools, because we need it so badly.

MillyR · 15/08/2010 11:22

I am pretty sure that votes for women is covered in history. Really that should be extended to cover all of the legal rights that women have won.

The British Library did a big exhibition a couple of years ago called Taking Liberties - it was about how British People had fought for their civil liberties for the last 1,000 years.

Really all of the work that went into that should have be used as the basis for a big part of the KS3 History curriculum.

It will not happen though - the Tories are going to move the History curriculum in the other direction.

sixpercenttruejedi · 15/08/2010 11:43

When DD started primary, i asked her teacher specifically about feminism/equal rights and the schools attitude towards them. She laughed and told me that the boys were the oppressed ones now.
I got quite haughty with her and told her i didn't think it was a laughing matter but it was like talking to a brick wall.

edam · 15/08/2010 11:47

Sounds like a much-needed conversation foureleven.

Agree with herbeatitude, sadly, quite rightly schools take racism very seriously but sexism barely registers.

foureleven · 15/08/2010 11:55

It is paid lip service to in the equal ops blurb for the school but certainly not given any time to in class or assenblies etc.

Half the school are female and yet nothing is done to help them to see that grading yourself on beauty is not right... No wonder all the gender bullying that goes on.. and the percentage off DSD class who want to be either footballers wives, models or popstars is overwhelming. I can't do much as I am not a proper parent of the school.. or can I? Any ideas?

Like I say, so pleased that they do make quite a big deal of it all at DDs school, the headmistress has writen pages and pages on gender equality and activly challenges sexist views. I love her.

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ISNT · 15/08/2010 14:14

It's just a reflection of society, sin;t it.

Depressing.

Dont know what you do about it, mine aren't at at school yet. TBH the worst sexist messages I have come across have been from the other mothers at nursery.

Has anyone contacted the NUT and got it raised at one of their big meetings or something?

tabouleh · 15/08/2010 16:19

Good thread.

The recommendations, relating to education, from the <a class="break-all" href="http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20100418065544/www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/Sexualisation-of-young-people.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sexualisation of Young People review were that:

? All school staff should have training
on gender equality.

? Staff who teach Personal, Social, Health and Economic (PSHE) education and/or citizenship should be given specialist training and ongoing support to address these
issues through the curriculum.

? The Department for Children, Schools and Families (DCSF) issues statutory guidance for schools on gender equality, in order to raise the profile of the issue. The new guidance should be comprehensive, including:
how to address gender equality and violence against women and girls in the school Gender Equality Scheme; the school ethos; in anti-bullying policies; safeguarding strategies; the wider curriculum; staff training; and
the services and information that
schools provide.

? Schools should ensure that all incidents on sexual bullying are recorded and reported separately to other forms of bullying.

? Clear reference is made to sexualisation, gender stereotypes and pornography within the Department for Children, School and Families? revised Sex and Relationships
Education (SRE) guidance which is currently out for public consultation.

? Practical ?How To? guidance on tackling sexualisation is disseminated widely to schools through Teachernet, the PSHE Association,the Sex Education Forum and other
agencies. This would pull together illustrative material of good practice;
demonstrate how sexualisation can fit within the existing curriculum including SRE, PSHE education, Citizenship and Media Studies; and
detail what resources are available and links to relevant organisations.

? New SRE resource materials are made available for teachers who work with children with special education needs and learning difficulties.

? Primary schools should make specific reference to the influence of the media on body image and personal identity. This could form part of a planned new area of learning, ?Understanding Physical Development, Health and Wellbeing?,
and would help equip primary school children with tools to understand and interpret the images and messages they see in the media.

? A module on gender equality,sexualisation and sexist/sexual bullying be developed as part of the SEAL programme. This should
include discussion of body image and
objectification.

? Media literacy should not only be taught through PSHE education but also through English and drama,the arts, history and citizenship.A ?whole school? approach to media literacy would reduce the burden
on PSHE education, ensure that relevant links are made in other subjects and effectively mainstream gender stereotyping throughout the curriculum.

? Increased funding should be made available for staffing, provision and training of existing youth workers so that they feel confident and sufficiently skilled to have discussions with young people around sexuality,sexist and sexual bullying and gender inequality. More materials are also
needed to support youth workers to develop such work.

? The UK Council for Child Internet Safety (UKCCIS) should be supported to further develop its current online resource centre where parents can access internet safety
advice. Strategies should be simple and practical, and link to parents? existing life and parenting skills.

? Digital literacy is made a compulsory
part of the national curriculum for children from the age of five onwards, and that age-appropriate materials are made available to pupils at every stage of their education.

? The government should work with internet service providers to block access to pro-ana and pro-mia websites.

? A schools campaign is developed which promotes positive role models for young men and young women and challenges gender
stereotypes. The campaign should build on the positive work already being undertaken in schools by organisations such as the White
Ribbon Campaign and Womankind.

? Schools encourage girls to value their bodies in terms of their physical ability by encouraging them to engage in athletic and other extracurricular activities. Schools should promote this work by linking it
to the 2012 Get Set education programme (run by the London Organising Committee for the
Olympic Games).

? Local Authorities must be held accountable for treating victims of child sexual abuse and ensure that specialist services receive adequate funding for the treatment of children who have suffered abuse.

? One-to-one confidential help in school/college from a trained professional such as a psychologist should be made available to every child and young person.

I think that these are good recommendations and I am looking forward to the Government's response to these. Regardless of the response they may be useful to pass on to DC's schools?

I am a school governor and I'm going to be looking at the implementation of the new equality act and reviewing the current discrimination policies (I haven't seen the existing policies yet). I will have a look at the info on my LA's governor services and ssee what they say about sex equality etc.

ISNT - what are the sexist messages from the other mothers at nursery?

tabouleh · 15/08/2010 16:37

OK - had a chance to look at what the Equality Act means for schools (or though I'm not sure what is different re the previous legislation).

"At the very least, schools must have
either, a three-year
a) race equality policy and action plan,
accessibility plan, disability equality
scheme and action plan, gender equality scheme and action plan, equal opportunities policy that covers sexual orientation, age and religion or belief, and a strategy for promoting community cohesion (in the form of a policy, plan, or working group for
example) Or
b) a three-year Single Equality Scheme and Action Plan that incorporates all the above policies, schemes and plans"

"Schools have statutory duties to promote race, disability and gender equality, and a duty to promote community cohesion. Schools must also not discriminate on the grounds of
sexual orientation, age or religion and
belief. The duties cover staff, learners
and people using the services of the school such as parents."

HerBeatitude · 15/08/2010 17:01

Tabouleh do you know when the govt. are due to respond to tht review?

foreverastudent · 15/08/2010 19:58

One of the reasons I've considered homeschooling is because I dont think the national curriculum (or the curriculum at any private schools I've visited) takes sufficient account of gender/feminist issues.

I did get taught about the suffragettes in history but 'gender' was absent from every other syllabus.

I hated that in English we only studied books by men/about men/boys.

I dont think it should be 'pot luck' whether girls discover feminism as adults. They should be explicitly taught it (boys too).

pointydog · 15/08/2010 20:23

My children discuss gender stereotypes in PSE and they do a Respect programme in yr 6 which has a strong focus on gender.

They study the home front during the two world wars and, in particular, how the first world war contributed to women's independence and a huge shift in male/female roles.

When studying the history of medicine, they look at women in medicine and have investigated people such as Barrie, the woman doctor who pretended to be a man.

They study literature by men and women and literature where the main character is sometimes a girl/woman.

I feel that parents have the responsibility to educate their children and if I ever feel something is not covered thoroughly in school, we will discuss it at home in some way.

The curriculum is overloaded and we cannot carry on putting more and more 'vital' (to some people) subjects onto it.

MillyR · 15/08/2010 20:35

The curriculum is overloaded. We could get rid of RE and replace it with some combination of politics, philosophy, anthropology and social justice topics. That should make feminism easy to fit in to the curriculum.

edam · 15/08/2010 20:47

A while back a bunch of schools in Hampshire were teaching kids about the UN Declaration on the Rights of the Child, which led quite naturally into further discussion of human rights. Started in primary with the concept that all the grown-ups in the world had agree that children had the right to things such as education (oversimplified of course but so is basic biology when they tell you two blue-eyed people can't have a brown-eyed child).

Apparently it worked very well - the idea that everyone has a right to learn, that other people should treat you with respect AND that means you should treat them with respect, really helped with behaviour in class and at breaks. Teachers had to live up to it as well, so no shouting. Allegedly this worked well. I'm sure it was all a bit more difficult than that, but it sounded convincing. (Scheme had originally been created in Canada, so there was plenty of testing before it reached our shores.)

Problem was when kids went to secondary, some of their new schools were not taking part or not really living up to it, so they often became disillusioned. But it sounded like a really positive idea.

tabouleh · 15/08/2010 22:09

HerBeatitude - no I don't know whether there is a date schedule for a response. I am trying to find out but not getting anywhere.

NickOfTime · 16/08/2010 01:01

having seen a few secondary english classes in action over the last few years, quite a few of them involved looking at gender issues within the texts, especially in the run-up to gcse. i think how in-depth you make it is down to the teacher though.

twenty five years ago, mine were pretty good. the ones i've seen recently were also very good, but i don't doubt there should be more across the curriculum.

i suspect inculcating the values more widely would do more than just introducing a topic though. having a term of feminism classes would do nothing except prove that it had nothing to do with real life (ie the rest of the school life)... depressing.

foureleven · 16/08/2010 13:47

Thanks for all the info particularly to tabouleh.. It really seems to vary from school to school doesnt it which I dont really find acceptable.

Love MillyRs idea.

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pointydog · 16/08/2010 16:21

RE in scotland is RMPS - Religious and Philosophical Studies. REligion and philosophy are so closely linked I don't see how you can keep the philosophy but scrap the religion.

POlitics is very closely linked to history and in scotland there is modern studies which is essentially a politics/history mix.

Social justice is a bit woolly but I imagine the sorts of things you are thinking of are currently addressed via PSE and Citizenship.

pointydog · 16/08/2010 16:25

Just had a very quick look at the english schemes of work and this came up.

ValiumSingleton · 16/08/2010 16:25

You're right. They should. I have been accused of being a man-hating by adults who can't tell the difference between valuing myself too highly to put up with crap just for the sake of being in a relationship, and I despair at the effect of magazines and media etc on young girls making them feel that they are not good enough, and making them feel that their value is first and foremost how fuckable they are (even if they are a politician or a doctor) and I hate the way young women are so terrifed of being labelled a feminist. It's like leper to young women todayy.

tabouleh · 25/08/2010 22:47

Bumping this thread following conversation within the Living Dolls book discussion thread.

How can we ensure that the hypersexual culture is tackled and that the recommendations of the report above are implemented?

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 25/08/2010 23:49

Wish I knew tabouleh. We need to lobby the government. Surely that's something that MN could do as part of let girls be girls?

TheFallenMadonna · 25/08/2010 23:54

I taught a 12 week module on Human Rights to my year 9s in PSHCE. We certainly covered women's rights. Unfortunately, the term before I was expected to do a lesson on personal safety that involved them recognising that how a girl dresses sends out signals to would-be attackers Hmm

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 26/08/2010 00:07

Aaarrgh really TFM? How did you get round that?

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