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Dd (19) was refused transvaginal ultrasound

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seventyfivepercent · 08/09/2025 20:41

Dd, now 19, has had incredibly painful periods since they started at age 13. For a few days each month she is doubled over with pain, vomiting and unable to go about day to day life.

The rest of the time she is constantly exhausted with regular headaches. Blood tests have shown she is anaemic and has inflammation. The GP doesn't seem to think the tiredness, headaches and blood results are connected to the period pain.

After years of going back and forth and being swapped from one contraceptive pill to another to try and ease the pain they finally agreed to send her for a transvaginal ultrasound, Dd was so relieved they were finally taking her seriously.

When Dd got to her appointment they refused to do the transvaginal ultrasound due to her being a virgin, and would only do an external ultrasound, this showed an enlarged ovary but wasn't clear enough to see properly. The sonographer actually said they don't like to do internal ultrasounds on virgins as they don't want that to be their first experience! I was gobsmacked and having looked into it this goes against guidelines. Yes, they should explain it might be a bit painful or uncomfortable, but the decision to proceed or not should have been Dds.

Now at her follow up GP appointment they've gone back to saying it's all normal and she just needs to keep taking he contraceptive pill, she's so fed up with being fobbed off.

I'm suspecting endometriosis, but the GP said she doesn't have the symptoms. Has anyone had success demanding an endometriosis laparoscopy, or do we have to resort to going private? I should add, I haven't been to any of these latest appointments as Dd is now away at Uni seeing her local GP, she's just asking me for help as to what to do next.

Thanks for any advice!

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beAsensible1 · 09/09/2025 13:40

Seconding the MRI calls as well, ultrasounds aren’t conclusive enough

having Been here before and get your results sent to you.
I turned up for my op and the surgeon didn’t have any if my scans

women’s healthcare is utterly woeful

bluemoonredsky · 09/09/2025 13:41

Sorry she has had such an awful time, i had similar symtoms but had adenomyosis rather than endo and a mis shaped uterus. It took a long time to be diagnosed symptoms started with periods diagnosed at 35, and hysterectomy at 37.

if you can go private, please do! Dont waste time with the NHS as my experience is that its all in your head if you have ‘womens problems’

longtompot · 09/09/2025 14:01

My dd had one and as far as I am aware she is a virgin. I would contact PALS, as the internal one is usually the one that shows up issues more clearly.
What does the GP think is causing all the symptoms your dd is having, as to me it sounds like the heavy periods are the cause

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/09/2025 14:18

Heavy periods can also happen if
endometriosis is present.

PumpkinSeasonOctober · 09/09/2025 14:21

I had internal ultrasounds when I was 18 and they never stopped to think twice about it. Chase this up with pals and ask for a second opinion.

TheLivelyViper · 09/09/2025 15:15

@seventyfivepercent Can you be more specific about her symptoms. If your pain is severe, it might be an underlying condition, which it looks like, but it could be multiple or one. It could be fibroids or ovarian cysts or something else, but further investigations would be needed, and she'd need to try first-line treatments before a gyne referral.

I recommend going to your GP ask for a pelvic ultrasound, a transabdominal ultrasound and a transvaginal one to see what they find. Not giving children TVs is not completely prohibited, but it is advised against. Sometimes, if sonographers are locum, they may not be certain about the regulations per hospital. Normally, in the referral, the doctor should advise against it to avoid the sonographer refusing. It's no longer the current guidelines, but it is not something they want to jump to for no reason.

Are her symptoms just on her period or elsewhere during the month? Use this a good way to push for further intervention.
Also what symptoms do you say she has, as in all of them? The tiredness is likely low iron, so that can be easily fixed and spotted with a blood test. What symptoms does she have during her period? And if you have symptoms not on your period - what are they? Is the pain worse on or off the period?
If you had a transvaginal and/or pelvic ultrasound, it can normally pick up adenomyosis, endo is common in people with adenonymosis, though not everyone, but is a good way of getting further secondary care intervention.

I recommend asking the GP to try the pill and/ or mirena coil can be amazing with heavy bleeding and pain. You might try different pills first. Yes, they treat the real cause as well (the mirena will may the uterus lining thinner, less bleeding and less cramps), but the pill, will treat symptoms. So definitely try that, sometimes the progesterone only pill (mini-pill) can be better for some. Essentially, it mimics the luteal phase, which stops estrogen secretion and prevents further tissue growth.

Also ask your GP for mefenamic acid and/or naproxen (NSAIDs which help a lot) and tranexamic acid (helps reduce heavy bleeding) - she needs to start taking it days before your period starts so that it can work at best capacity. The same with ibuprofen and/or paracetamol. Start taking it 3/4 days before and it will be much better.

She will need to try NSAIDs and mirena/pill and Tranexamic acid first before any further scans like ultrasound and MRI. In terms of a gyne referral, she will have needed to be on the pill or mirena for around 9 months, otherwise they can and often do reject the referral, as in the consultant will just write back to GP to use it for 9 months and if it doesn't work, re-refer, gyne in secondary care is overwhelemed and so I'd try all these meds first otherwise its likely a wasted referral.

Then if ultrasounds pick up on anything (pelvic ultrasound or transvaginal) you may need to have an MRI to see endometriosis. However, the only way for definite diagnosis is a laparoscopy and then they will often excise the endometriosis tissue if they find it etc. But endometriosis is a chronic illness and cannot be cured, after surgery it will grow back, it cannot be excised from everywhere to leave organ functioning intact and then post-surgery adhesions often form.

The main symptom of endometriosis is not actually period pain because endo is not a period condition - it's a whole body inflammatory condition where the endometriosis tissue even produces its own oestrogen and the pain is felt throughout the month not just when on your period. Often endometriosis on the ovaries can form cysts containing old blood called endometriomas (also known as chocolate cysts) which can be very painful. Another popular cyst is a haemorrhagic ovarian cyst with endometriosis.
But she could also have adenomyosis where the lining of the womb grows into the muscle of it, but unlike endo is localised to the uterus only - is normally spotted on a transvaginal scan or definitely MRI as its more about the uterus muscle, so more easy to see. Thus, symptoms are mainly a week or two, before a period and during your period. Main endo symptoms:
• Irregular or heavy periods
• Pelvic pain
• Pelvic pain on opening bowels (dyschezia) and wider gastrointestinal symptoms (diarrhoea and constipation)
• Pelvic pain on passing urine (dysuria) and bladder symptoms sometimes
• Referred pain to the tops of the legs or back
• Fatigue

Crucially, you can still have endo even if they don't see it on the scan, the only clear way for diagnosis is a diagnostic laparoscopy and then management can look like pain medication, depending on how severe your pain and symptoms are (can be opioids, NSAIDs) and contraception and hormonal treatments (gonadotropin-releasing hormones).
The links below have much more detailed and useful information.
https://www.leedsth.nhs.uk/patients/resources/endometriosis-2/

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/adenomyosis/

The stages of endometriosis are actually about how it impacts your fertility - so a higher stage has more impact on fertility but not pain. So a person with stage 1 endo could be disabled by it and have severe complications, but a person with stage 4 may not, so don't let them only focus on that. None of this is fair, but if you know the regulations, then you can 'easily' get through the system, because everything will meet the criteria, that's what I'd advise you to do, to get the quickest care. Maybe ask reception if there is a GP with a special interest in women's health as they often are much better.

nhs.uk

Adenomyosis

Find out about adenomyosis, including symptoms, what to do if you think you have it and how it's treated.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/adenomyosis

Socialmediashy · 10/09/2025 10:20

GarlicPint · 08/09/2025 23:47

Having had sex doesn't make any difference to the discomfort level of a vaginal medical procedure, @Socialmediashy. You know sex doesn't really stretch the vagina, right?

Some women might experience discomfort if they have an unusually thick hymen, but most of us have stretched/broken them by our late teens.

I can only speak from my own experience. Unless you had a smear test before you had sex I don’t think you can really comment on what I wrote.

No smear test has caused anywhere near the same level of discomfort since that first one.

Post childbirth has also changed the experience.

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