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Polish abortion ban kills ANOTHER woman

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Mememeandmeagain · 14/06/2023 17:07

This is so sad. It was so horrible reading about how Izabella Sajbor was left to die of sepsis, now another woman:

Several woman have died since the constitutional court ruled in 2020 that women could no longer terminate pregnancies in cases of severe foetal deformities.

Dorota Lalik, a 33-year-old pharmacist, checked into the Pope John Paul II hospital in the southern Polish town after her waters broke on May 21. She was five months pregnant.

A relative of the late woman said that the staff told Lalik to “lie with her legs up so that the waters might come back," according to the report.

After a three-day ordeal, Lalik’s health began deteriorating rapidly. While she was given an abortion on May 24, she eventually died from septic shock and multiple organ failure the same day.

Lalik's is the latest case of a woman dying in a hospital that tried to maintain a pregnancy due to the presence of a fetal heartbeat until it was too late for the woman.

Women's rights advocates warn that doctors are putting women's lives at risk as they prioritize saving pregnancies over women, either for religious reasons or fearing legal consequences for themselves.

Women’s rights advocates have called for protests in dozens of Polish cities on Wednesday under the slogan “Stop killing us” .

https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-dorota-lalik-death-braces-for-abortion-protests-as-doctors-become-centre-of-storm/

Poland braces for abortion protests as doctors become center of storm

The unrest follows the death of a 33-year-old pregnant woman in May.

https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-dorota-lalik-death-braces-for-abortion-protests-as-doctors-become-centre-of-storm

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Turefu · 14/06/2023 17:18

Very sad. This is yet another case like that in Poland. Very strict anti-abortion law makes legal abortion almost impossible. Since The Court Supreme decided it’s against the constitution to allow abortion, it’s not going to change now, unless constitution changes.

endofagain · 14/06/2023 17:26

This is barbaric. Those poor, poor women.

Janek · 14/06/2023 17:47

How horrendous. It's the stuff of nightmares :-(.

OvaHere · 14/06/2023 17:51

Just awful. 😡

BiddyPop · 14/06/2023 18:31

It was a case similar medically (waters broke early and couldn't act while heartbeat still present) to that of Savita Palavaar (sp?) in Ireland which is the case that caused such uproar that there was a referendum and a constitutional amendment carried which means that abortion is now legal in Ireland.

But it took a case like that.

Weveforgottenwhoweare · 14/06/2023 18:47

What doesn't make sense to me is that in Poland one of the three reasons abortion is permitted is if the mother's life is in danger...

Turefu · 14/06/2023 19:09

Weveforgottenwhoweare · 14/06/2023 18:47

What doesn't make sense to me is that in Poland one of the three reasons abortion is permitted is if the mother's life is in danger...

But it depends from the doctors to decide when woman’s life in danger and when is not. Doctors and now whole hospitals in Poland have a right to refuse abortion on their conscience grounds.

Weveforgottenwhoweare · 14/06/2023 19:21

Turefu · 14/06/2023 19:09

But it depends from the doctors to decide when woman’s life in danger and when is not. Doctors and now whole hospitals in Poland have a right to refuse abortion on their conscience grounds.

Blood on their hands.

QueenCoconut · 14/06/2023 19:48

Polish doctors are terrified to terminate pregnancies with fetal heartbeat present as they can be prosecuted, lose the right to practice medicine or be jailed. So they wait and wait and these are the consequences. They then have to live with it. Some of them refuse to terminate based on their personal religious views but overall they are also victims of this horrible legislation.

Brefugee · 14/06/2023 19:53

if i were a Polish woman of childbearing age? I wouldn't be having sex. Unless it was with a woman.

Dacadactyl · 14/06/2023 19:55

Weveforgottenwhoweare · 14/06/2023 19:21

Blood on their hands.

The irony

postcard · 14/06/2023 19:57

Those poor women.

lysozyme · 14/06/2023 20:25

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JRHartleysmum · 14/06/2023 20:27

Horrific

lysozyme · 15/06/2023 11:23

To reiterate what I said in my deleted post:

Dacadactyl believes that if a child is raped and becomes pregnant, and the pregnancy or childbirth is guaranteed to kill her, she should not be allowed a termination and instead should be left to slowly and painfully die. They can say this, but if others point out that it's sickening then they report them.

OutsideLookingOut · 15/06/2023 13:34

lysozyme · 15/06/2023 11:23

To reiterate what I said in my deleted post:

Dacadactyl believes that if a child is raped and becomes pregnant, and the pregnancy or childbirth is guaranteed to kill her, she should not be allowed a termination and instead should be left to slowly and painfully die. They can say this, but if others point out that it's sickening then they report them.

That is horrific. No woman raped or not should be forced to endure a pregnancy that might kill her.

carbonarya · 15/06/2023 13:55

Dacadactyl · 14/06/2023 19:55

The irony

@Dacadactyl How so?

HandShoe · 15/06/2023 13:59

Just horrific. And of course not a surprising outcome from the 'pro-life' laws which are nothing of the sort.

magim42447 · 13/08/2023 00:25

lysozyme · 15/06/2023 11:23

To reiterate what I said in my deleted post:

Dacadactyl believes that if a child is raped and becomes pregnant, and the pregnancy or childbirth is guaranteed to kill her, she should not be allowed a termination and instead should be left to slowly and painfully die. They can say this, but if others point out that it's sickening then they report them.

That's horrible.

HappiDaze · 13/08/2023 02:16

But surely if her waters have broken they should be getting the baby out asap as she's gone into labour

How is that even classed as an abortion

Sounds like bureaucracy gone completely mad

zoomingale · 13/08/2023 10:14

HappiDaze · 13/08/2023 02:16

But surely if her waters have broken they should be getting the baby out asap as she's gone into labour

How is that even classed as an abortion

Sounds like bureaucracy gone completely mad

Not bureaucracy, the draconian abortion laws.

And I noticed @Dacadactyl still hasn't explained his comment.

loveclipbook · 22/08/2023 00:18

Mememeandmeagain · 14/06/2023 17:07

This is so sad. It was so horrible reading about how Izabella Sajbor was left to die of sepsis, now another woman:

Several woman have died since the constitutional court ruled in 2020 that women could no longer terminate pregnancies in cases of severe foetal deformities.

Dorota Lalik, a 33-year-old pharmacist, checked into the Pope John Paul II hospital in the southern Polish town after her waters broke on May 21. She was five months pregnant.

A relative of the late woman said that the staff told Lalik to “lie with her legs up so that the waters might come back," according to the report.

After a three-day ordeal, Lalik’s health began deteriorating rapidly. While she was given an abortion on May 24, she eventually died from septic shock and multiple organ failure the same day.

Lalik's is the latest case of a woman dying in a hospital that tried to maintain a pregnancy due to the presence of a fetal heartbeat until it was too late for the woman.

Women's rights advocates warn that doctors are putting women's lives at risk as they prioritize saving pregnancies over women, either for religious reasons or fearing legal consequences for themselves.

Women’s rights advocates have called for protests in dozens of Polish cities on Wednesday under the slogan “Stop killing us” .

https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-dorota-lalik-death-braces-for-abortion-protests-as-doctors-become-centre-of-storm/

This sounds very similar to the Irish case of Savita Halappanavar. Awful as well that both women were medically qualified (Savita was a dentist) and yet effectively left to die because of an unviable fetal heartbeat and Catholicism.

pharamondtravel · 22/08/2023 08:17

Dacadactyl · 14/06/2023 19:55

The irony

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