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Why is conscious sedation not routinely offered for a hysteroscopy?

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MaMelon · 14/07/2021 14:59

I've been referred for one of these beauties and have been doing my research, as you do. There's absolutely no way I'm "tolerating" such a procedure (to quote the Dr I spoke to) so have dug my heels in and they've taken me off the outpatients list and have put me onto the GA list - I have to see another Dr first to discuss this, but it will happen. I am not going through it without anaesthetic - for several reasons.

I asked the gynae secretary why conscious sedation isn't offered as standard as it is in other clinics such as colonoscopy or endoscopy, but she didn't know.

Anyone know why? It seems bonkers that it's either outpatient (possibly with local - although from what I've read this isn't effective)or a GA, with nothing in between.

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Greybeardy · 18/07/2021 09:58

@MaMelon

Thanks for your response Greybeardy

I would request a female clinician to do the procedure if I was sedated or had no sedation - although other procedures are routinely carried out by men on sedated women with other clinical staff in attendance without it being an issue.

Although a reasonable number of GI endoscopies are carried out without sedation my understanding is that most are.

You mentioned that sedation can also exacerbate some of the vagal side effects of cervical stimulation and create some hairy cardiac situations - can you explain how that might happen please?

If you look at the RCOG’s paper on best practice for outpatient hysteroscopy it suggests that sedation is no better than local at reducing pain. Local anaesthetic to the cervix though may reduce vagal symptoms, which are what cause the vomiting and feeling faint that some women experience. Part of the vagal response also involves the heart rate (and often BP) dropping. Most of the commonly used sedatives reduce BP, and opioids can reduce the heart rate. Sedation can also interfere with breathing and airway reflexes. The worst case scenario during a hysteroscopy under sedation would be a semi-conscious woman, supine, with reduced airway reflexes, vomiting, with a low heart rate and blood pressure, and who still experiences pain. Now a scenario like that would be pretty extreme and probably pretty uncommon, but it’s entirely avoidable and could result in harm.

With general anaesthesia (or spinal anaesthesia) the vagal response may be blunted somewhat so even though GA/spinal can drop the BP, it’s often more predictable and manageable (anaesthetists have much more experience and a wider range of drugs available to manage these cardiovascular issues than outpatient nurse sedationists).

So, in a nutshell, sedation doesn’t appear to improve satisfaction of the patient as often as you’d imagine, comes with potential significant side effects (and isn’t suitable for everyone to various other reasons), and still may not get the job done. GA/Spinal may seem like using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut, but for most women one or the other will be safe in terms of cardiac/respiratory physiology and they may be more likely to get the job done. There probably are people out there who offer hysteroscopy routinely with sedation, but I don’t think it’s very common.

A final thought though, if you read the rcog patient information leaflet on outpatient hysteroscopy, it suggests that the risk of surgical complications is higher under GA than with awake hysteroscopy (the surgical complications are not my area of expertise though and I don’t know how much higher those risks are, but suspect they relate to perforation or bleeding due to uterine relaxation caused by anaesthesia). It doesn’t comment on spinal but I suspect the same may be true.

So, while about 25% of women do have a bad time with awake hysteroscopy, that leaves 75% that do find it acceptable and avoid both the cardiac/ respiratory risks of sedation and the surgical problems associated with GA and it’s most likely this that explains why it’s often considered a reasonable first line approach at the moment. None of this is about trying to minimise the distress that a painful, failed, intimate procedure can cause, but hopefully this gives some background to some of the physiological things that may influence decision making. Hope that helps.

MaMelon · 18/07/2021 10:04

I will not discuss my very personal reasons with you LucindaT73. You will have to accept that.

Thank you to everyone else who has offered support on here, I’m very grateful to you all for sharing your experiences and advice on how to approach this.

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CrackersDontMatter · 18/07/2021 10:32

I'm a student nurse and I've just done a month's placement in an endoscopy unit. From what I saw it was around 50:50 with sedation or no sedation. That's not really relevant to your query but in response to something up the thread.

In the endoscopy unit Entonox is an option for those who don't want sedation for whatever reason (they have to work or drive home, live alone for example) but are also unhappy to have the procedure without anything. It's readily available on the unit. Could you ask if that would be an option for you?

AnyFucker · 18/07/2021 10:41

Stopping half way through the procedure is touted here and made to sound easy

When a room full of people are invested in just getting it done, it is clear they are on a tight schedule, you also just want it over with etc there are not many women who would halt at that juncture

I am an informed and assertive HCP and I still made myself endure it. Later I realised how traumatising I found it.

LucindaT73 · 18/07/2021 11:00

@MaMelon I'm not interested in your reasons and not asking.
It's something you should discuss with the dr . It was another poster who brought up your 'reasons', not me.

BUT maybe you have been slightly disingenuous? If your reasons are not to do with pain, but with a psychological issue, that's something different. The responses here and your own research are on the 'pain' issue.

Your post was why sedation is not offered.
It's easy to find this by searching.

The link to the RCOG advice on the procedure explains very clearly why. And it's easy to find if you search.

@Greybeardy have copied or summarised it for you, too.

All the best with it anyway.

LucindaT73 · 18/07/2021 11:05

Just to pick up on a point made by @Greybeardy, (and I was told this by a HCP) that complications and risks are accentuated by a GA because the dr doing it doesn't have to be slow and gentle, as the patient is under a GA.

MaMelon · 18/07/2021 11:11

BUT maybe you have been slightly disingenuous?

No.

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WiseUpJanetWeiss · 18/07/2021 17:47

[quote LucindaT73]@MaMelon I'm not interested in your reasons and not asking.
It's something you should discuss with the dr . It was another poster who brought up your 'reasons', not me.

BUT maybe you have been slightly disingenuous? If your reasons are not to do with pain, but with a psychological issue, that's something different. The responses here and your own research are on the 'pain' issue.

Your post was why sedation is not offered.
It's easy to find this by searching.

The link to the RCOG advice on the procedure explains very clearly why. And it's easy to find if you search.

@Greybeardy have copied or summarised it for you, too.

All the best with it anyway.[/quote]
It was me who mentioned that pain is not the only reason why some women cannot tolerate this and other medical procedures without sedation/GA. The OP spoke about other reasons in her first and subsequent posts so I don’t know why you’re accusing her of being disingenuous.

AnyFucker · 18/07/2021 18:08

I don’t know why you’re accusing her of being disingenuous

Dismissing women’s experiences. Some people are not even aware they are doing it.

Melroses · 19/07/2021 21:12

@AnyFucker

Stopping half way through the procedure is touted here and made to sound easy

When a room full of people are invested in just getting it done, it is clear they are on a tight schedule, you also just want it over with etc there are not many women who would halt at that juncture

I am an informed and assertive HCP and I still made myself endure it. Later I realised how traumatising I found it.

Yes, it is a bit late in the day to find out you are one of the 25% when you are part way through the procedure.

When I was a child, I used to have a dentist that would gaslight you through the pain of fillings. It was the pre-fluoride days when children routinely had fillings. He used to just say 'does it feel hot'. The second drill was hotter. I was a good girl and went along with it and had presents of bottles for my dolls' and teddies' hospital games.

But every time I go to the dentist, the memory of that pain comes back. We react to pain beyond just feeling it on the day. It is a visceral survival response.

AnyFucker · 19/07/2021 21:33

Thanks for the acknowledgement @Melroses

olivethegreat · 19/07/2021 21:52

I can't tolerate smears at all any more due to the pain so I had a GA for hystercopy. Was terrified but it was all fine , they didn't remove anything apart from biopsy but weirdly Ive just had my first ever painless period. Get results later this week

MaMelon · 20/07/2021 10:32

Hope your test results are ok @olivethegreat Smile - that’s great you had it under GA with no problems.

I’ve now got an appointment with the Consultant in August to discuss next steps so will ask about all the alternatives to being awake with no pain relief. I know that sedation doesn’t infer pain relief- but if it’s not meant to be a painful procedure surely that’s not a problem…? Anyway, I’ll discuss the concerns I have and will see what they say.

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justasyouare · 22/07/2021 17:31

I’ve just been for one of these today. My experience was pain free and for me a general anaesthetic would have been a total overkill. I have also previously had other procedures requiring a local anaesthetic to the cervix. The administration of this anaesthetic was much more painful than what I experienced today.
It’s really odd . They even said I had a high pain threshold but I honestly wasn’t in any pain at all. And yet having read some of the experiences above this isn’t the case for everyone.
It seems that having given birth helps, and they also commented on this before beginning the procedure today.
I also honestly believe that those carrying out the procedure today would have stopped the second I told them too, but I know not all medical staff are like this.
There really should be a choice for women who are likely to experience an unacceptable level of pain with this procedure and it should be clearer if my experience is the exception or the rule .

MaMelon · 31/07/2021 15:56

Just in case anyone is looking for info on this topic in future….

I had an appointment with an absolutely lovely Consultant today who went through my history, took some notes, had a quick check of my cervix and reassured me that all options were available to me, so -
As an outpatient: Awake, no pain relief/ Awake, local injection.
As an inpatient: Awake, spinal/Awake, sedation/General anaesthetic.

I have opted for an GA. I got quite teary when she asked what my thinking behind that choice was and as soon as she could she I was upset she said that that was absolutely no problem, being awake was obviously not for me, and she’d arrange an appointment for me to have it under GA. She offered me a choice of location too. She was so supportive, it was very much a two-way conversation, and at no point did I feel I wasn’t being listened to. They’ll probably do a biopsy to check for cancer given the symptoms I’ve had, so I’m glad I’m going to be out for it.

Of anyone is reading this because they’ve been referred for similar (esp in Lothian) please be reassured that there are plenty of anaesthetic options available Smile

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