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Stupidities and irritations in novels

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UnquietDad · 30/12/2008 11:43

What are the things which annoy you most in fiction? Things characters do, assumptions authors make, etc?

I think my number one has to be the "affluence assumption", where people who are supposedly worrying about money still "have" to send Jonty and Jocasta to the lovely little prep school and violin lessons. (Mind you, there's enough of that on here.)

DW has just finished reading these, which feature such laughable idiocies as a state primary school where people talk about "first years" and "second years" and which has its own dedicated science block and music block.

There are an awful lot of thirty- and forty-something women writing novels these days who are out of touch with any reality beyond their cosy little London mums-and-coffees-and-gym circle. And - surprise, surprise - they are books about cosy little London mums-and-coffees-and-gym circles.

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TotalChaos · 30/12/2008 15:15

UQD - would be v. interested to know who you are but don't have CAT! could you e-mail me the website link at milkfloatquack at hotmail dot com

KerryMumbles · 30/12/2008 15:15

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LiffeyAgSnamhArLaCoille · 30/12/2008 15:15

Sorry uqd that was my fault.

UnquietDad · 30/12/2008 15:16

Liffey (Elizabeth BeresfordSW19 is what you were!): well, stay tuned, because I have just had four commissions in the past year and there's another book - a children's book, a new venture for me - with my agent right now. I'm busy until the end of 2009/beginning of 2010...

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LiffeyAgSnamhArLaCoille · 30/12/2008 15:16

Are you KerryMUm Mumbles?

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nkf · 30/12/2008 15:17

I knew it was a good deal. And certainly higher than an average first time literary novel. No?

But seriously are you saying that all those slummy mummy or self discovery after babies books really only garner £3,500 per book?

nkf · 30/12/2008 15:17

I knew it was a good deal. And certainly higher than an average first time literary novel. No?

But seriously are you saying that all those slummy mummy or self discovery after babies books really only garner £3,500 per book?

OhBling · 30/12/2008 15:18

And you're also an author kerry? Blimey, MN is a talented lot.

I want to write a diet book one day. Just have to lose the weight first to prove my diet works! hahahahaha.

LiffeyAgSnamhArLaCoille · 30/12/2008 15:18

Ah well done! when you are on the Dublin leg of your tour, in Hodges Figgis on Nassau St, I'll stand in the queue with my paid-for book to be signed by you.

KerryMumbles · 30/12/2008 15:19

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LiffeyAgSnamhArLaCoille · 30/12/2008 15:19

That's funny Kerry! there's probably only about 500 of us here and sometimes it seems like 280 million.

UnquietDad · 30/12/2008 15:20

nkf - it varies hugely according to the publisher, the agent, the deal, whether there was an auction, etc.

If you have a wily agent (as I have) they get you a better deal long-term, not just from advances but royalty rates on escalators (go up after a certain number of copies sold), overseas rights etc. My books have sold in eight territories, which is why I have done quite well.

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Quattrocento · 30/12/2008 15:22

UQD, perhaps you could enlighten us about "cubing".

During Mouldygate, the Indy journo who did such a great reporting job (okay - NOT) professed to practise cubing.

Is this just something journos and media hacks do? Or do proper writers do it as well?

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UnquietDad · 30/12/2008 15:22

Anyway I don't want this to be all about me! I genuinely want people to post their favourite niggles and annoyances in fiction! Back on topic!!

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UnquietDad · 30/12/2008 15:23

I don't have a fecking clue what cubing is.

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BoffinMum · 30/12/2008 15:27

I made £200 out of my last book, although tbh it was an academic book so that's probably good these days.

It's a bit sad when something takes you five years to write though, and gets good reviews, and that's all you get back financially!!

Perhaps I should start a new genre of academic porn to increase my earning potential.

TotalChaos · 30/12/2008 15:27

the "I've done bagloads of historical research and by god I want you to know it" type novel that wears it's knowledge very heavily - like Interpretation of Murder by Jed Rubenfield.

SpringySunshine · 30/12/2008 15:29

I hate the typos you get in cheap books where there's clearly been little / no editing or proofreading. I know that's not really to do with the novel itself, but it's a good indication that it's not going to be one of the better things you've read all year.

zenandtheartofbaking · 30/12/2008 15:29

On topic ....

My particular gripe is "information retrieval" novels, where the whole raison d'etre of the novel is that it gives a view onto an experience about which people are at that time fretting; the necessary corollary is that it is underwritten by authenticity, especially the authenticity of the author.

I hat them for strange reasons; I think they're often given to acertain narrowness and triteness, which isn't immediately obvious, given thewhole "authenticity" thing and I think they're often marketed with a great deal of cynicism. Lastly, they are just so prone to the situation where the author is "outed" as not being authentic enough or authentic at all.

Having said that, I find myself reading them sometimes because they can be a light, easy way into a difficult problem.

SpringySunshine · 30/12/2008 15:30

£200? How rubbish...

Go on, give us an except of some academic porn

SpringySunshine · 30/12/2008 15:31

That was meant to say 'excerpt'

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