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Re-evaluating Ursula LeGuin

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MsAmerica · 16/08/2025 23:37

Having recently gone for another experimental visit to a book club, this time to listen in on a discussion of Ursula LeGuin’s sci-fi The Left Hand of Darkness, I’ve been thinking about women sci-fi writers, and LeGuin herself.

There was a period a long time ago when I was reading a fair amount of sci-fi, and also fantasy, by women authors, especially what I call gender s.f., when the premise/subject is sex/gender. I’d bought one or two little s.f. reference books, which was a good starting point. I read some of the early writers, including when women s.f. writers hid their own gender, like C. L. Moore (short stories, including one of her medieval fantasy stories about Jirel of Joiry) and James Tiptree. I read some Joanna Russ, whom I didn’t like. I read some books by Doris Egan because I met her through a self-defense class. And that eventually included LeGuin.

I read at least a half-dozen of LeGuin’s books, more or less chronologically. With her background of anthropologist parents, she has interesting set-ups. I can just imagine her musing, “What if…?” The underlying idea of The Left Hand of Darkness struck me as so completely original that it stayed with me forever: A planet where the inhabitants have no gender most of the time, but cycle into sexual stages where they can’t predict whether they’ll be male or female. The idea of no fixed gender is kind of mind-blowing when you think about how our society is so based on that distinction.

But the peculiar thing now was that as I was re-reading it yet again, I suddenly realized that I admired it, but never really loved it. I loved that idea, but not the book. She’s a fine writer, but even a couple of people at the book club opined that much of it was a tedious slog. And she’s not much on humor.

Then I accidentally read something else. I was facing some major transit rides, and discovered that I had forgotten to bring something to read, so I grabbed something short from the library, another LeGuin, since she was on my mind. There were a couple of short, amusing things that seemed un-LeGuin like, and a couple that seemed tedious, which I skipped. But I tackled one long one, “The Fisherman of the Inland Sea,” which is mostly a long meandering story of someone growing up (in that society, marriage involves four people) for forty pages until she suddenly snaps in to the point of the story for the last dozen pages. I’d never thought of her analytically before, but then it suddenly hit me: She’s just not much interested in plot. Which is okay. But that’s why I can’t really fall for her. Her clever ideas should be enough (and some are genuinely haunting), plus the interesting details often just casually tossed off in passing, but for me, they just aren’t.

(I'd wanted to post one of her stories here, but the internet has made that kind of thing more and more inaccessible.)

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Flumpaphone · 17/08/2025 00:09

I’ve just finished reading the Earthsea novels and had not read any Ursula LeGuin before.

I agree she is a very good descriptive writer but I found the plots and storytelling just hollow. I wanted to like them, I really did, and quite liked the fourth book but lots and lots of tedious bobbing about on a boat not getting anywhere and not much happening.

Long meandering is a good description.

Gremlinsateit · 17/08/2025 04:41

Interesting. I loved The Left Hand of Darkness and Earthsea. Rocannon’s World was a bit dry but I really enjoyed pretty much everything else I read, and I do find most of the longer works to be plot-driven. I don’t mind the philosophical passages at all, though I think the third Earthsea book possibly takes it too far.

I am also interested in how her writing evolved in terms of gender issues, from pretty much everything being about the men eg in Rocannon’s World, where I think she was trying, however unconsciously, to write SF that would be acceptable to a male audience. Then The Left Hand of Darkness where she is thinking about something revolutionary but the narrator’s attitude is still very binary; then the later work where she embraces women as the protagonists.

She also had to publish under her initials in a certain magazine.

banivani · 17/08/2025 06:24

I love Le Guin. ☺️ Agree she isn’t very ”plotty” but at the same time she’s not out there with no plot - I suppose I’d say there’s always a story and that’s the point. Love to see how she changed as a writer too, from writing sci-fi the way you were supposed to, quite formulaic and adapted to typical male standards to very philosophical stuff. Paradises Lost is one of my favourites, but I also love LHOD and re-read it regularly. I just love her world building. There used to be some great essays she wrote about her own writing and how she reevaluated it over time on her website, not sure if they’re still there.

Gremlinsateit · 17/08/2025 07:03

And The Dispossessed! Mind-blowing :)

Footle · 17/08/2025 07:22

I’m just trying to reread The Word for World is Forest. Based on colonialism, the war in Vietnam and ecological destruction. Powerful. I don’t think I can go on.

FluffletheMeow · 17/08/2025 08:59

Gremlinsateit · 17/08/2025 07:03

And The Dispossessed! Mind-blowing :)

Agree with this. I barely remember the LHOD but The Dispossessed stuck with me.

Gremlinsateit · 17/08/2025 09:05

Footle · 17/08/2025 07:22

I’m just trying to reread The Word for World is Forest. Based on colonialism, the war in Vietnam and ecological destruction. Powerful. I don’t think I can go on.

It’s a tough read, I agree.

TonTonMacoute · 17/08/2025 12:00

I loved the Earthsea books, one of the few things I have re read often.

I have never got on with sci fi at all. I did read LHOD a while back, with a book club, and it did nothing for me.

DS loves sci fi but found The Dispossessed hard going. Having said that, I might give it a try, as we have a copy.

myplace · 17/08/2025 12:08

It’s been years and I only vaguely remember them. I must reread!

Lovelyview · 17/08/2025 14:20

I agree with your analysis op. I've only read a couple of her books but I've found the plots very pedestrian and I never felt emotionally attached to her characters. I gave up on her.

pollyhemlock · 17/08/2025 17:11

I loved her books when I first read them many years ago and I still think most of them are classics. I do agree though that she’s often more interested in ideas than people and plot. And a bit short on humour.The short story The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas is a brilliant refutation of utilitarian ethics.

minipie · 17/08/2025 17:35

I would say a lot of SF works better as short stories where there is enough time to develop The Idea and get you thinking about it but it doesn’t really matter if there isn’t much of a plot. Lots of the best “idea based” SF writers wrote more short stories than novels and even their novels are pretty short. (Earthsea series are all short).

Arguably Left Hand of Darkness would have been better as a short story, or a series of.

MsAmerica · 18/08/2025 03:31

"Hollow" - that's a good word, @Flumpaphone.

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banivani · 17/08/2025 06:24

I love Le Guin. ☺️ Agree she isn’t very ”plotty” but at the same time she’s not out there with no plot - I suppose I’d say there’s always a story and that’s the point. Love to see how she changed as a writer too, from writing sci-fi the way you were supposed to, quite formulaic and adapted to typical male standards to very philosophical stuff. Paradises Lost is one of my favourites, but I also love LHOD and re-read it regularly. I just love her world building. There used to be some great essays she wrote about her own writing and how she reevaluated it over time on her website, not sure if they’re still there.

I agree, the world-building is impressive, and I love how she casually throws in enlightening details. In her story "The Rock That Changed Things," she doesn't describe the race/species, but mentioned that a character covered "all her eyes."

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MsAmerica · 18/08/2025 03:36

myplace · 17/08/2025 12:08

It’s been years and I only vaguely remember them. I must reread!

Right, I have that reaction all the time!

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