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All Fours by Miranda July

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Catscookbook · 13/07/2024 20:19

Has anyone read it? I think I’m still processing my reaction.

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Fraa · 14/07/2024 18:23

I preferred the first half of it to the second half. Also preferred her first novel 'The First Bad Man'.

I love her writing though, it's so strange and other-worldly.

Catscookbook · 14/07/2024 21:30

Agree, I loved the first half. Immediately bought a copy for my slightly strait laced SIL’s birthday. Then rather go regretted the purchase before the end…

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Fraa · 15/07/2024 07:32

Yes it does all get a bit graphic! When I was about a third of the way through a friend asked if there was loads of sex in it. 'No, no' I said...

funderama · 21/07/2024 10:29

I've just finished this and also didn't not know what to make of it. One of the weirdest books I've ever read.

I really didn't feel as if it "got" her relationships, especially with Kris, as it just seemed to come out of nowhere but then she was so sad when it was over.

I liked the premise of the curtailed road trip and the hotel room, but just not convinced by a lot of it.

PollyIndia · 24/07/2024 17:22

I read it recently and I found the main character completely unlikeable but I really enjoyed the book. I’m 48, and I guess that whole burn it all down theme resonated, even though the way she does that didn’t at all. I also like her style of writing. It was odd, but enjoyably so for me. I recommended it to my sister but she definitely won’t enjoy all the graphic sex ! I should probably warn her…

Tiddlywinkly · 26/07/2024 22:10

I really liked the book.

I've just finished her short story collection, "No one belongs here more than you", which I also enjoyed. I listened to the audiobook. Her voice is quite mesmerising.

EmoCourt · 27/07/2024 09:49

I think I didn’t finish The First Bad Man. I find her too self-consciously quirky for my taste. I always feel I should like her work, as she’s genuinely multi-media — performance art, fiction, short experimental films, acting, directing etc. But none of it quite works for me.

Catscookbook · 27/07/2024 22:17

I’ve just finished The First Bad Man. Still not sure if I can describe it as enjoying her books but I definitely find them hard to put down.

I’m really drawn to mid-life female stories and characters at the moment, if anyone can recommend any others?

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Ecstaticmotion · 27/07/2024 22:17

I just started it! Love it so far

EmoCourt · 29/07/2024 01:12

Catscookbook · 27/07/2024 22:17

I’ve just finished The First Bad Man. Still not sure if I can describe it as enjoying her books but I definitely find them hard to put down.

I’m really drawn to mid-life female stories and characters at the moment, if anyone can recommend any others?

Breakdown by Cathy Sweeney — novel about a middle-aged mother/wife/ teacher who just one morning turns in the opposite direction to her usual work commute and walks out on her life.

ScoldsBridle · 23/01/2025 13:52

Sorry, I’m just resurrecting this as I’ve just read the book. I just wanted to say that I thought it was a self-indulgent piece of nonsense. Firstly, I hated the way she was so circumspect about what she did for a living - we were given hints it was artsy/creative and that she had a level of ‘celebrity’ but were never told what it was - it irked me all the way through because I couldn’t see the rationale for being so vague other than a laziness about writing about it? The way her child was portrayed and their sex never revealed led to me having to reread several sentences when she used ‘they’ instead of him or her - there were times when I thought she was writing about her child AND her husband - and it didn’t make sense.

I liked the potential of the motel room and her decorating it and existing there in an alternative life world. And some of the observations about female sexuality and desire were interesting.

But oh my God - the dancing. Cringe. His dancing. Her dancing. I kept thinking of that clip of Boyzone appearing and dancing for the first time on the Late Late Show in Ireland (it’s hilarious, look it up)

And then towards the end it turned into an Oprah-like series of revelations about speaking with her other female friends and acquaintances - ‘interviewing’ them almost. So many shocked at what happens to women during the menopause.

Maybe it’s only in the UK that the menopause is so talked about and discussed but I doubt there’s many women on MN who aren’t aware about the effects of Peri- Menopause and Menopause - who are at least aware that it’s something they should be looking into (Davina? Kirsty Wark?)

And as I closed the book after reading the last page my first, and overriding thought was, PLEASE PLEASE DON’T EVER LET ANYONE MAKE A FILM OF THIS BOOK!!

hashimotosucks · 04/02/2025 13:32

Hated this book. Would not recommend. Trying to be transgressive for the sake of it, utterly awful character and notion of how menopause affects women. Badly written. Might submit it for bad sex awards.

Fizzywinegum · 05/02/2025 13:07

I agree with the last two posters - I really disliked this book - the characters and situations were completely unrealistic and non-relatable. It was woke for the sake of it - trying to be shocking but it was just weird and boring

I'm actually cross that I read it - I wish that I'd ditched it after the first few chapters - thought that it would get better but it didn't!

LegalBarbie · 11/02/2025 22:16

But the main character knows how awful she is. And at the end the wokeness is sort of dealt with as part of finding herself.

PrairieDawn101 · 13/02/2025 06:45

I bought this on a recommendation and then read the reviews on Goodbooks. Having read this thread also, I now don’t think I will even start it. I may have wasted my book spending dollars, but at least not the reading time!

EmpressaurusKitty · 13/02/2025 06:51

Catscookbook · 27/07/2024 22:17

I’ve just finished The First Bad Man. Still not sure if I can describe it as enjoying her books but I definitely find them hard to put down.

I’m really drawn to mid-life female stories and characters at the moment, if anyone can recommend any others?

Anything by Jane Fallon - my favourite is Just Got Real. She’s got a strong focus on female friendships.

Ilovelowry · 13/02/2025 06:52

PrairieDawn101 · 13/02/2025 06:45

I bought this on a recommendation and then read the reviews on Goodbooks. Having read this thread also, I now don’t think I will even start it. I may have wasted my book spending dollars, but at least not the reading time!

I loved this book. And it came just as I was dealing with mid life and waiting for my testosterone to fully kick in. Loved it's weirdness and out there plot and extreme take on modern life.

shockeditellyou · 13/02/2025 06:53

ScoldsBridle · 23/01/2025 13:52

Sorry, I’m just resurrecting this as I’ve just read the book. I just wanted to say that I thought it was a self-indulgent piece of nonsense. Firstly, I hated the way she was so circumspect about what she did for a living - we were given hints it was artsy/creative and that she had a level of ‘celebrity’ but were never told what it was - it irked me all the way through because I couldn’t see the rationale for being so vague other than a laziness about writing about it? The way her child was portrayed and their sex never revealed led to me having to reread several sentences when she used ‘they’ instead of him or her - there were times when I thought she was writing about her child AND her husband - and it didn’t make sense.

I liked the potential of the motel room and her decorating it and existing there in an alternative life world. And some of the observations about female sexuality and desire were interesting.

But oh my God - the dancing. Cringe. His dancing. Her dancing. I kept thinking of that clip of Boyzone appearing and dancing for the first time on the Late Late Show in Ireland (it’s hilarious, look it up)

And then towards the end it turned into an Oprah-like series of revelations about speaking with her other female friends and acquaintances - ‘interviewing’ them almost. So many shocked at what happens to women during the menopause.

Maybe it’s only in the UK that the menopause is so talked about and discussed but I doubt there’s many women on MN who aren’t aware about the effects of Peri- Menopause and Menopause - who are at least aware that it’s something they should be looking into (Davina? Kirsty Wark?)

And as I closed the book after reading the last page my first, and overriding thought was, PLEASE PLEASE DON’T EVER LET ANYONE MAKE A FILM OF THIS BOOK!!

I agree with every word of this. I just didn’t get the hype about this book.

EmoCourt · 13/02/2025 23:47

shockeditellyou · 13/02/2025 06:53

I agree with every word of this. I just didn’t get the hype about this book.

I follow MJ on Instagram, and from something she said today (well. I read it today, she may have said it some time ago) that All Fours was being made into a tv series by Starz.

nodogz · 14/02/2025 00:35

I'm glad I read this book but I can't say I enjoyed it! I had to read it in short bursts as it was uncomfortable. Excellent debrief material though, discussing it with my mates after was sensational chat!

I thought the internal voice was pretty realistic with its vanity. And I liked the honesty, frankness and acceptance in the friend chats, it's very rare to see those deep relationships (I know and have) in print.

I got the weird intimacy, it did horrify me at times but I got it.

And the birth trauma was relatable too. The way it just bubbles up without warning.

I also looked up the hotel she references - it's so boring - not at all what I imagined.

DutchCowgirl · 14/02/2025 07:08

I liked reading it generally. The first half was the best… but what I did like about the second half was the new insight for me that you can try and manage your menopause with “damage control” and desperately try to keep things the way they were… or you can use it as a chance to go down a whole different path in your life and explore a new world. I liked that thought. Here on MN we are all too focused on the damage-control-approach.

renomeno · 14/02/2025 07:20

Another intense dislike here, glad I only wasted 99p on the kindle version!

Evenmoretired44 · 14/02/2025 08:23

I had such a mixed experience. Yes she was so self indulgent and part of me judged her really hard and the dancing was so embarrassing but man I identified with some of the madness of it. And the birth trauma. And the desperation. And her feelings about lifting weights, which still make me laugh weeks afterwards. And anll the different forms of intimacy that you can have with people. And the potential for art to allow us to process things that problem solving just won’t. So yes. A very weird but compelling experience.

EmpressaurusKitty · 14/02/2025 08:26

Parts of it sound good but the child being a ‘they’ would be an automatic turn-off for me I think.

Appalonia · 14/02/2025 08:34

I loathed this book SO MUCH. I found her very unrelatable and pretentious. Her calling her child ' they' was jarring and totally unneccessary. That scene from Friends when Joey gets the feedback on his acting skills, ' not believable as a human being' sprung to mind whilst reading this.

If I was in a Book Club and inflicted this crap on my fellow members, I'd expect to be hung, drawn and quartered!