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Has anyone actually read Ulysses (the Joyce one)?

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Inextremis · 26/06/2024 18:35

I've been meaning to read it for years, and I've started - but my lawd, it's hard going! I think I've had to look up at least five words in the dictionary so far, and the Latin is beyond me. Is it worth persevering? I'm finding it difficult to work out exactly what's going on - so far they've left the 'tower' and seen a dead dog at the forty foot - tell me it gets better?

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soundsys · 26/06/2024 21:47

Yep, also while at uni. I agree with a PP that says you have to just sort of let it wash over you to an extent!

BlanklyMyDear · 26/06/2024 21:53

Yes - read it and enjoyed the adventure of reading it. Devastatingly witty and likely to make you gasp on occasions when you realise what you’ve just read.

But Finnegans Wake … Oh my, the truths contained therein. It’s like he saw into my actual soul and was witness to all my most shameful secrets.

Sgtmajormummy · 26/06/2024 22:34

DBro is a Joyce fan. He’s read it several times and when he came to my city for an academic Joyce symposium he read it all again in about 5 days.

Personally I’m still approaching it in ever decreasing circles, I’ve read many extracts and enjoyed them, but never read it cover to cover.

I think it’s a book that suits an older reader with eclectic, wide reaching knowledge of the world, including the Classics as there are so many leaps of the imagination and cross references.
IMO It’s lost on the average 20yo English Literature student in this century.

EveningSpread · 26/06/2024 22:36

I’ve read it. I wrote on chapter of my PhD on it (well, mainly on two specific chapters of it).

It’s certainly a puzzle that takes a lot of unpacking! It can be frustrating or rewarding, depending how much time you have and whether you like that sort of thing.

EveningSpread · 26/06/2024 22:42

one chapter, not on chapter!

Inextremis · 27/06/2024 10:23

To answer a PP's question - yes, I have read the Odyssey, and enjoyed it - but many years ago now. So far (and I've not got any further) I've not noticed any parallels/references, but I guess that could change, as Kindle tells me I have 15 hours of reading left in it. I've been living in Ireland for 25 years now, so that helps a little, too. I'm going to try the audio version as well - hoping it'll clarify things a bit. I am now determined to get through the thing, even if it takes a year. Many thanks to all for sharing your experiences and thoughts - it's good to know it's not just me who struggles with it!

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Cooper77 · 27/06/2024 18:41

I've never sat down and read it from beginning to end. However, I have grappled with it on and off over the years, dipping in and out, reading and then re-reading certain chapters, and so on. So overall I'd say I've read it (sort of).

Parts are undeniably beautiful. Think of the rays of sunlight criss-crossing in the martello tower, or the wandering rocks chapter, or that orgasmic description of the sunset in Gibraltar. Joyce had an astonishing 'mimetic power', as I believe it's called, meaning an ability to make the word the thing. Read his description of a dog running across a beach, for example, or Molly turning over in bed to drink the tea that Bloom brings her. It is so vividly there in front of you.

Do I enjoy Ulysses? Hand on my heart? Hmm...parts of it. I really like the opening five chapters, and the wandering rocks bit, and also the burial scene. Parts of Molly's monologue are wonderful too. But it's just too long. It's also, dare I say it, really f-ing boring in places. Martin Amis said that "the stream of consciousness is a bore," and there was a great gasp of joy from the audience when he did. A lot of people secretly feel that way, but keep quiet for fear of being thought stupid. Many of Bloom's thoughts just aren't interesting. I mean, compare Bloom's interior monologue to the thrilling ideas that spark off the page in an Aldous Huxley novel, or Wilde's Dorian Gray. Then again, I suppose that's the point. Ian McEwan chose Ulysses as his desert island book because, he said, it perfectly captures a day in the life of an ordinary, flawed, but fundamentally decent human being. And when you read it, you are fully in that world – outside of space and time. Ordinary life is mundane and boring.

Joyce was a superb writer, that I don't doubt. Dubliners, in particular, is a masterclass in the short story. Indeed, parts of his work are breathtaking (think of the snow scene in The Dead). But he's really difficult, there's no getting around it. He's also, to some extent, parochial. He is preoccupied with catholicism and nationalism – the two big isms for an Irish writer. Parochial British writers, on the other hand, tend to be obsessed with class (E. M. Forster, Evelyn Waugh, Alan Bennett, etc). And even those who aren't interested in class still seem class-bound (Aldous Huxley, Anthony Powell, Jane Austen).

If you want to grasp the Joyce genius, read Anthony Burgess. Burgess was a disciple of Joyce and knew his work inside out. But he's more accessible somehow. I get from Burgess what other people get from Joyce – language used in thrilling and extraordinary ways. He's a great way into Ulysses. I just wish I enjoyed reading Joyce as much.

Likesomemorecash · 27/06/2024 21:37

I read it and wrote my third year dissertation on it. I came on this thread to recommend the free audio version online. It made parts of the text absolutely sparkle.

It did help me to read a synopsis of the more challenging chapters before I actually read them - felt like I had some navigational points.

Inextremis · 28/06/2024 09:31

I started on the audio version last night and fell asleep before I'd caught up to the point I'd read. I'm unsure whether it was due to the familiarity with the text I've gained through reading - but it seemed easier to digest and understand in audible form. It's looking like this is a long-term project - but I'm determined! Many thanks to all who've contributed to this thread.

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MySweet · 29/06/2024 09:50

Inextremis · 28/06/2024 09:31

I started on the audio version last night and fell asleep before I'd caught up to the point I'd read. I'm unsure whether it was due to the familiarity with the text I've gained through reading - but it seemed easier to digest and understand in audible form. It's looking like this is a long-term project - but I'm determined! Many thanks to all who've contributed to this thread.

I always recommend to people struggling with the beginning that they start with the fourth episode, ‘Calypso’’. Stephen is much less likeable fictional company than Bloom, and ‘Calypso’ is a more accessible place to start. I’d read straight through to ‘Lestrygonians’ (Bloom’s lunchtime) before circling back to read the first three episodes before continuing on with ‘Scylla and Charybdis’, where Stephen is explaining his theories about Hamlet in the National Library.

I’m sure there’s a load available online now, but Harry Blamires’ Bloomsday Book is good for a plain prose account of the plot, episode by episode, so you can orient yourself.

I think it’s a lovely novel, genuinely.

ChessieFL · 29/06/2024 16:17

There was a readalong on here last year - I wasn’t on it so don’t know if anyone finished it but the thread might be helpful for understanding it

www.mumsnet.com/talk/what_were_reading/4817727-ulysses-reading-group-2023?reply=126610973

Evenstar · 29/06/2024 16:56

I have, I studied Dubliners as one of my A level texts and I decided I would read Ulysses, my English teacher was astonished as he had never managed to read all of it and actually didn’t know of anyone who had read the whole thing.

Tilly22222 · 29/06/2024 20:08

MySweet · 29/06/2024 09:50

I always recommend to people struggling with the beginning that they start with the fourth episode, ‘Calypso’’. Stephen is much less likeable fictional company than Bloom, and ‘Calypso’ is a more accessible place to start. I’d read straight through to ‘Lestrygonians’ (Bloom’s lunchtime) before circling back to read the first three episodes before continuing on with ‘Scylla and Charybdis’, where Stephen is explaining his theories about Hamlet in the National Library.

I’m sure there’s a load available online now, but Harry Blamires’ Bloomsday Book is good for a plain prose account of the plot, episode by episode, so you can orient yourself.

I think it’s a lovely novel, genuinely.

I second the Harry Blamires recommendation.

PandaPacer · 30/06/2024 07:42

I have almost finished reading it for "enjoyment" and do feel like I have a good grasp of it. I am not a scholar or associated with any kind of academia!

However I had some guidance from a friend of mine who is a Professor of Literature before I started. There is a podcast called "Reading Ulysses" by two experts who walk around Dublin following the novel's locations and talking about what is going on in the book and what was happening in wider Dublin at that time. It also highlights all the amazing loops and cross references Joyce made within the book. These would have sailed right by me. There's also extracts from the novel and some music as well - it's surprising how many musical references there are in the novel.

There is one podcast episode per chapter. There is a lot of action in the book that is contemporaneous to the time period it was written, and unless you lived in or studied that era it would go over your head! They are funny and very knowledgeable and say things like "this chapter is impenetrable - this is where most people give up so just keep pushing on". I listen to the episode before and after I read each chapter to make sure I understand what is going on. Highly, highly recommended.

I really feel like I have not been reading Ulysses, I have been studying it. And I am quite proud of myself ha ha!

https://www.rte.ie/radio/dramaonone/plays/2022/0124/1275562-reading-ulysses/

Reading Ulysses

Reading Ulysses

https://www.rte.ie/radio/dramaonone/plays/2022/0124/1275562-reading-ulysses

Eatyerselffitter · 30/06/2024 07:50

@Tilly22222 oh cheers I didn't know he did that , that might be a tad more accessible for me. I loved The Dubliners and tried Ulysses years ago and thought I was very stupid as I couldn't make hare nor tale of it and had a very pompous boyfriend at the time who scoffed at me ! I love Irish literature and have always felt why can't I get Joyce , so may I will try the Bishop Brennan option !!

iloveeverykindofcat · 30/06/2024 07:53

Yes, for an English degree, but with a lot of guidance. I'd have gotten nowhere if I wasn't having tutorials and guides on how to read it. I still don't love it. Its impressive, but I can think of novels that are impressive, profound and accesible. Midnight's Children for example. To me that's more of an accomplishment.

Eatyerselffitter · 30/06/2024 07:53

@PandaPacer oh thanks alot ! This is very helpful !

Maireas · 30/06/2024 07:54

I read it last year, just because I was intrigued. I found the start heavy going, but once I got into it, I loved it! The use of language is wonderful and I loved the humour. I think it probably helps if you have an Irish and/or Catholic background.
I think it's a wonderful mixture of ideas and I did enjoy it. The end is something else!

ArabellaFishwife · 30/06/2024 21:55

Like others, I read it as a literature student. I vaguely remember the beginning. The end is far more striking and the bit everyone remembers, and I can probably dredge up a few quotations from the rest if I try. That's it. But I did read it from beginning to end.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 30/06/2024 21:58

Not me, I think it's meant to be dipped into, and read aloud. There's a recording of Joyce himself I think floating around, of the beginning. It is fun to pick out the smattering of German, Latin and romance languages.

Love Dubliners though.

WWGD · 16/09/2024 15:24

I read it for my degree - in fact did a whole module just on that book. Only clicked into place when I went to the local library (not the uni library) and found some kind of A-Z of James Joyce which had really clear explanations of his obsessions. Then ended up loving it. Obv cannot remember a thing about it now 20 years on other than the pigeon scene and the orgasm scene

NormalAuntFanny · 16/09/2024 17:57

SilverBranchGoldenPears · 26/06/2024 18:49

I’ve read it twice and love it very much. Greatest novel ever written.
Any academic saying that it’s not the sort of book to be read cover to cover, or haven’t read it, are academics whom I would give a strong side eye to. Really shameful.

Exactly this, I didn't even do English lit and I love it.

If you want to read it I'd do the first 200 odd pages, which are very much like a normal book, then just do 20 pages a day until it's done. There are sections which drag for me at least, so the first time I needed a plan to get though it.

EBearhug · 16/09/2024 18:15

I read it a couple of years ago, starting en route to Australia, so didn't have much else to do, which helped, no distractions.

I mostly enjoyed it, but some sections are better than others, and the dream sequence is tedious beyond anything. Molly is wonderful.

Gremlinsateit · 18/09/2024 04:29

I agree with @MaxandMeg . You need to dive in and treat it as an experience rather than a book. After some unsuccessful attempts I took my dad’s advice to treat it this way, and loved it.

Passwordsaremynemesis · 18/09/2024 04:42

Like most people who have read it, I read it as part of my Eng Lit degree. In fact I read it while Inter railing in pre- kindle times, as I only had space for one book in my rucksack. I lost my left luggage ticket in Paris and was able to reclaim it by telling them there was a Belfast library copy of Ulysses in it.😁 I found it pretty tough going, but I finished it.

I would be very impressed if anyone had finished Finnegan’s Wake though. My lecturer told me it took her ten years, and to understand it you really should be fluent in at least six languages including Sanskrit. I know there is a reading group that does a couple of pages a month. So can anyone claim it apart from the singular poster above? Prove it😁