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50 Books Challenge 2023 Part Six

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Southeastdweller · 13/06/2023 12:34

Welcome to the sixth thread of the 50 Books Challenge for this year.

The challenge is to read fifty books (or more!) in 2023, though reading fifty isn't mandatory. Any type of book can count, it’s not too late to join, and please try to let us all know your thoughts on what you've read.

The first thread of the year is here, the second one here, the third one here here, the fourth one here and the fifth one: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/what_were_reading/4793238-50-books-challenge-2023-part-five?page=20&reply=126860721

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TattiePants · 19/06/2023 22:33

@EineReiseDurchDieZeit I read the first 20 or so pages of Grapes of Wrath at the weekend but I’ve got lots going on at the minute and need a book that will grab me instantly so have put it to one side. I’m now reading the first chapter of Cannery Row and there’s a racist term on the second page. The first character you’re introduced to is Lee Chong so I suspect there will be more….

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 19/06/2023 22:45

Oh dear...

Yes, I've had Grapes for many years and never got far. I'd like that to change this year though.

Whosawake · 19/06/2023 22:58

Book 17- Agatha Christie: A Very Elusive Woman- Lucy Worsley

This was fine, interesting in parts but didn't live up to what I'd heard about it. I thought Lucy Worsley was weirdly lenient on the men in Agatha Christie's life. When they had a young baby, Agatha Christie and her husband left the baby with family for months to go on a round the world tour and while there's pages of speculation on why Agatha might have done that/ felt about that, there's feck all analysis about her husband- who instigated the trip in the first place because he was 'bored'. And spoiler alert- there's a very bizarre part where Lucy tells us there's evidence Agatha's second husband had a number of affairs. This is not, however, Lucy explains to us, evidence of him being a dickhead, but 'only our modern, romantic idea that marriage should provide all of life's intensity that makes it an issue'. He also wrote creepy letters to Agatha's daughter but Lucy also justifies that by explaining that he didn't really know how to speak to women as he mainly socialised with archaeologists. Bizarre.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 19/06/2023 23:06

@Whosawake

Oh thats annoying, I have that on TBR only to find I don't particularly rate her writing after her Queen Victoria - that slides down my queue then.

So1invictus · 20/06/2023 07:27

I have started Lethal White as I'm still in the mood for reading inane shit.

That may tell you all you need to know about how it's going, 7 chapters in.

For now:

An adjective for every noun: ✅
An adverb for every verb: ✅
For every group of people with more than 3 components, one is elderly and black/Asian and worried looking ✅
Everyone who is going to be really relevant to the story has a stupid name ✅
The secretary is a dowdy, middle aged woman with a name that means she's actually at least 78 ✅
I was worried that JK had missed her homosexual quota but thankfully the most annoying married couple on the planet since Tom and Nicole in Eyes Wide Shut are renting from a gay landlord ✅
Cormoran is hungry ✅
Cormoran is catching buses ✅
Cormoran has a stump ✅✅✅
It hurts ✅
Accents are written in a "ooo arrr me hearties, where's me combine 'arvester mashup between Pirates of the Caribbean and The Wurzels✅

So far, so Galbraith.

My burning question so far (as obviously nothing has happened apart from the above which has happened LOTS) is why in the name of God are people protesting about the Olympic village going over their allotments less than a MONTH before the opening ceremony. Have they only just noticed the cement mixers? Are people in East London in some sort of weird timeslip?

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 20/06/2023 09:02

@So1invictus

My. big takeaway from LW so far is that JKR has no concept of money - particularly when it comes to the housing market. As if they could afford the rent

Whosawake · 20/06/2023 09:11

@EineReiseDurchDieZeit I always feel guilty putting someone off a book! It was OK, it did keep me reading until the end but after I'd finished it I wished I'd picked a different non-fiction book off my TBR pile instead.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 20/06/2023 09:20

To be fair, she's done a pretty good job of putting me off on her own.

TabbyM · 20/06/2023 12:38

For those who liked Legends and Lattes there's another one about a bookshop by the same author coming out in November. It was ok but not as good as I'd been lead to believe, Winter's Orbit is much better.

Owlbookend · 20/06/2023 12:55
  1. The Paper Palace Miranda Cowley Heller Somebody lent this to me ages ago and I finally got around to reading it. It has been reviewed a few times on previous threads, but for those not familiar, it opens with protagonist Elle cheating on her husband Peter with her childhood best friend Jonas. The rest of the book is Elle relating her life to this point, interspersed with what happened immediately before and after the infidelity. The Paper Palace of the title is a Cape Cod holiday cabin where much of the story is set. Initially, I was quite gripped as I wanted to know why she was with Jonas and what their shared past was. However about halfway through once this was revealed, I lost interest as the characters just didn't seem to have a lot of depth. Neither Jonas or Peter came to life to me and I wasn't invested in the decision she would make. Although the prose is easy to read (i finished it in a couple of days) the subject matter is not light. The focus is the reverberations of child sexual abuse and emotional neglect throughout the Elle's family.
DuPainDuVinDuFromage · 20/06/2023 14:32

34 Warrior Queens and Quiet Revolutionaries - Kate Mosse I thought this was a great book and am really glad I got it for my mum for Mother’s Day (without reading it first so I had to go on recommendations!). A definite bold.

It is in some ways just a long list of women who have achieved things throughout history, with a few lines at most about each of them (very different from Femina, which has long chapters focusing on one woman at a time), but I didn’t find that tiring or boring even though I had to pretty much read it straight through as it was a library book. It would probably be better to dip in and out (and to have time to do more reading around some of the women mentioned) but it’s definitely not just a reference book.

I also liked the sections on Mosse’s great-grandmother which were interspersed throughout the chapters on other women through history. It helped to emphasise some of the core messages of the book: namely that there will be many, many more women worthy of mention who are not in the book as this is simply a selection; and that we can only know about these women if their memory and achievements are preserved for future generations.

Overall, the best thing about the book is that it’s a celebration: it raises up all women, not just the ones mentioned, and doesn’t try to say that some women, or types of women, are better than others. It also acknowledges some of the negative things which some famous and respected women said and did, while assuming that we are mature enough to form our own opinions on these negative attributes.

This is in stark contrast to Babel: or the necessity of violence which I reviewed recently. I have only put one book in italics since I started following these threads at the beginning of 2022, on the basis that even books I don’t like generally have some literary merit. But the more I think about Babel the more I hate it despite it having some good bits - partly because of what is clearly the writer’s hatred of white people and her view that white women have no right to complain about anything because they have the privilege of being white; and also because the whole purpose of the book seems to be to set people against each other and to dictate to readers what they should think about issues of race and class. I found myself hating the message even though I agreed with the principles of it, because it was being forced on the reader. So…I’m going to put this one in italics on my list unless and until I get less angry about it.

FortunaMajor · 20/06/2023 15:09

I AM IN BARTER BOOKS FLAPPING MY HANDS LIKE A PIGEON BECAUSE IT'S SO EXCITING.

TattiePants · 20/06/2023 15:29

@FortunaMajor my favourite shop! Make sure you get some cake in the cafe too.

TattiePants · 20/06/2023 15:30

Whoops, posted too soon. I'm looking forward to seeing our book haul. I never make it out of there with less than 20-25 books.

BoldFearlessGirl · 20/06/2023 17:03

FortunaMajor · 20/06/2023 15:09

I AM IN BARTER BOOKS FLAPPING MY HANDS LIKE A PIGEON BECAUSE IT'S SO EXCITING.

Omg, I am going there in August and I will also be soooooo excited!

TattiePants · 20/06/2023 18:16

BoldFearlessGirl · 20/06/2023 17:03

Omg, I am going there in August and I will also be soooooo excited!

@BoldFearlessGirl don't forget to take some books with you to trade. You can trade in 20 paperbacks or 5 (I think) hardbacks at a time and get roughly £1 credit per paperback (more for a hardback) to spend in the shop or café. When ever we go we cheat and I pretend I'm not with DH so we can trade 40 books at a time! I have a special Barter Books cupboard!

FortunaMajor · 20/06/2023 18:30

I was surprisingly restrained. Mostly non-fiction - cooking, knitting and walking.

Also picked up a few paperbacks of books I have listened to as audiobooks but would definitely read again at some point and would like in print. Piranesi and The Mirror and the Light.

I could have gone mad, but I'm trying to declutter, not buy more stuff.

Also had dog with me who was very unimpressed as it was not the beach like she was expecting.

BoldFearlessGirl · 20/06/2023 18:30

Thanks for the tip, @TattiePants . DH can sacrifice some clothes or camera space and I’ll load up some paperbacks Grin

BoldFearlessGirl · 21/06/2023 06:39

41 Turning Blue by Benjamin Myers
I paused this a third of the way through to read Voices Of The Dead. If I say a tale of misdirection, surgery and dismemberment was a welcome relief then you’ll have some idea just how dark this book is.
We know from the beginning who has abducted a teenage girl from the desolate snowy moors and the rest of the book follows a detective and a journalist trying to catch up with our knowledge and unpick the network of depravity that has led to the crime.
This book actually grew on me the more I read, although I did skim the passages set in the porn cinema, which makes the cinema in Children Of Paradise look positively tasteful. 🤮The glorious descriptive talent of Myers shines through, whether that’s aimed at the swathe of moorland or decomposing bodies trapped under a reservoir’s run-off pipes.
I even had a smidge of sympathy for Steven Rutter, as we read about his upbringing we realise he had little choice in growing up as he did.
The shady network of abusive men is also drawn well, with a pleasing (?) nod towards a celebrity abuser who might as well be called Rolf Hall-Savile . In this, the book reminded me of Red Riding.
Female characters don’t get much of a look-in. Victims, abusers and weak, just bystanders to the male violence that stains every page.

It was intended as a the first in a series of ‘folk crime’ novels, but since 2016 there has only been this one and a sequel. I’ll probably read the second in time, as I did like the burgeoning friendship between the ultra-reserved detective Brindle and the outgoing borderline alcoholic journalist Mace. It was grim reading for most of it, however and I like a Bit Of Grim, usually.

highlandcoo · 21/06/2023 11:00

Don't like her depictions of the working classes (also a problem in Casual Vacancy)

I'm in the middle of The Casual Vacancy at the moment and I so agree with you Eine. I particularly dislike the dialogue - here's an example from the page I'm on at the moment:

"No 'e fuckin' ain't. Tell 'im. She don' wan' nuthin'."

This is a troubled teenage girl trying to send her mother's drug dealer away. There must be a way of representing her speech patterns without making her sound like a Dickensian grotesque.

I have a lot of time for JKR in general and I'm enjoying the plot (needed something easy after the gruelling Bomber) but I'm not finding this OK.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 21/06/2023 11:06

@highlandcoo

I can't remember the girls name now but this :

without making her sound like a Dickensian grotesque.

Is spot on, it couldn't be less Daily Mail stereotype if it tried.

It's very "tell me you've got no clue about working people and are crashingly middle class without telling me"

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 21/06/2023 11:07

Should say more not less!

BestIsWest · 21/06/2023 11:33

It’s one of my pet hates, writing in accents and I’ve ranted about it on here in the past. JKR, Jilly Cooper, whoever writes the Lord Lynley books. I think it’s called ‘eye dialect’. I’ve got nothing against the odd inclusion of a colloquialism, they can be interesting, but it’s almost always patronising and used to look down on the character.

So1invictus · 21/06/2023 12:06

Yes! To all of the above.
I am totally onboard with JKR's politics, beliefs and think Harry Potter, whilst flawed, signalled the Zeitgeist.

I'm racing through LW, mainly because 11 chapters in fuck all has happened, but I made the notes for my review this morning saying "how come working class women are northern, hairdressers, and called Dawn or Shirley, whilst everyone based in London is called Coco or Lorelei (FFS) is a property tycoon's daughter and wants to have sex with Strike?" I also "FFS'd" out loud to dp's amusement when Robin's friend the black woman police officer turned up with her amazing skin. 🙄 I FFS'd again this morning when in one chapter a man is described as "thin", looking like "an overweight gecko" and having a "pot belly". Which is it? Because it can't be all three!

It's very very reductive and I'm not sure it's not, in parts, offensive about physical appearance which seems to play such an important part. I'll put it down again to lack of editing- as we've said before, nobody dare tell her she could lose 150 pages, and possibly a transition from children's fantasy writing, with a heavy emphasis on description of both human and non, to writing about "normal" adults for an adult audience. Hmm

So1invictus · 21/06/2023 12:07

And it nearly became a DNF when sex between Strike and Lorelei was described as similar to that between Aphrodite and Hephaestus.

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