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Anne of Green Gables - I have questions

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drspouse · 18/02/2022 16:09

So, I'm listening to this on Sleepy Bookshelf.
I really like it, having not read it as a child, and I'm wondering:
Are all the others worth reading?
What order do they come in? The listed order doesn't seem to match up with the dates.
And very important:
What kind of currants went into the currant wine? Because I understood that blackcurrants were banned in North America. Or is that recent? Or are these redcurrants?

OP posts:
JoanOgden · 25/02/2022 09:04

Paul Irving always made me a bit nauseous, too, and I never reread Anne of Avonlea for that reason.

LM Montgomery always had a twee side - hence a lot of the overwriting in the Emily books, and about nature generally (which she half-parodies via her "John Foster" extracts in The Blue Castle). What I like about Anne is that mostly she is not twee at all.

Choppingonions · 25/02/2022 09:07

Rather different.

BloodyForeland · 25/02/2022 09:53

@Choppingonions

bloodyforeland I do see what you mean. But isn't a lot of that preparation by the author for the reconciliation between Jane's parents? I agree she shouldn't have to come to these insights (and this is briefly acknowledged in a phrase about an agony no child should have to suffer) but isn't it just part of Jane realising her parents' back story and seeing how it could work again for them? She's able to see her parents' faults, even that her mother suffers from learned helplessness (or lacks the slightest bit of backbone) and her father is at his spoilt worst with his sister. She just loves them anyway aka the parent trap, I thought. If there was a different way to get that information into the story (about her father's love of her mother) I expect the author would have taken it but there wasn't much leeway in how the novel was structured.

Did anyone else love the character of Aunt Becky in the tangled web? So delightfully narcissistic.

Actually, I hadn’t thought about it, but you’re right, Andrew Stuart is at his least likeable in the company of insufferable Aunt Irene. There’s that bit where Irene shows up and presides over the dinner for his visiting friend and AS passes his plate for more of her pie and says, with an air of surprise, ‘Eating is not such bad fun after all’, in front of an eleven year old who’s been slaving over a hot stove for him all summer! Grin (And was poor Lilian Morrow eating her heart out for him all along?)

I think LMM is trying to write a situation that would be incredibly difficult, messy, painful and potentially disappointing in real life — child is brought up in an psychologically abusive household with a cowed, dressed-up, ‘poor little rich girl’ mother and thinking her estranged father is dead, then is sent to stay with him, a total stranger, a thousand miles away, a man much poorer than her own ‘home’, whom she has every reason to resent.

I think LMM works very hard to make this as sunny a narrative as possible by soft-pedalling the dark stuff (Jane never seems to resent her mother’s spinelessness even though it’s allowed her to be brought up in an awful situation and she adores her father from the moment she sets eyes on him, regards his humble circumstances as opportunities to cook and clean and weed, as she’s always wanted, and also Robin has kept her looks ten years on, so doesn’t disappoint the man who regarded her as Helen of Troy and Titania when they’re reunited — the end would read very differently if Robin had become haggard from unhappiness and Andrew a balding tubby middle-aged man!)

Maybe that’s part of the issue — LMM can’t resist not just depicting it all from a child’s POV, she wants to include the adult romance, despite the fact that children don’t consider their parents in this light. So you have Jane utterly invested in her mother’s beauty, unembarrassed by her father reading out his love letters to her mother (because she agrees her mother is the most beautiful woman in Canada!) and unfazed when her father says at the end something like ‘Look at her, Jane! Look at my little golden love!’ When most children of her age might be mortified at their parents behaving like newlyweds.
Grin

And everything is conveniently blamed on the evil granny, rather than on Robin’s total wetness and Andrew not having the commonsense to realise that sending a letter to the household of a MIL who hates you to try to get your wife and child back is unlikely to get the desired result.

tcjotm · 25/02/2022 09:57

Some characters are like certain family members. You put up with them because you love everyone else. I don’t care much for Paul but I adore Anne and if he’s there some of the time, I’ll cope. I didn’t like Josie Pye either (though pretty sure I’m not supposed to!)

Classica · 25/02/2022 10:28

It wouldn't occur to me to describe a child as a simpering git, real or fictional, or to finish a book with a central character who was very dull. It seems a pointless exercise and the most uninteresting way to talk about any book. But most of the posts have been very different.

You demonstrate a striking lack of imagination with your expectation that everyone should be exactly as you are. It's okay for people to enjoy a book but to dislike a particular character. Please stop trying to police the way other people discuss a book. I find that very dull indeed.

librarygaol · 25/02/2022 10:40

I've name changed to say that my daughter has Cordelia as one of her middle names. I thought it would be extremely obvious to people here why that's AOGG connected, as people don't usually 'get' the connection.

Classica · 25/02/2022 10:43

@tcjotm

Some characters are like certain family members. You put up with them because you love everyone else. I don’t care much for Paul but I adore Anne and if he’s there some of the time, I’ll cope. I didn’t like Josie Pye either (though pretty sure I’m not supposed to!)
I thought Josie was great in a 'love to hate her' kind of way. There was a nice balance of characters with Anne's schoolmates. Loyal and lovely Diana, fun and flirty Ruby (RIP) and nice but dull Jane Andrews (who I was delighted for when she snagged the bald middle aged millionaire from Winnipeg!)
librarygaol · 25/02/2022 10:45

@Classica

It wouldn't occur to me to describe a child as a simpering git, real or fictional, or to finish a book with a central character who was very dull. It seems a pointless exercise and the most uninteresting way to talk about any book. But most of the posts have been very different.

You demonstrate a striking lack of imagination with your expectation that everyone should be exactly as you are. It's okay for people to enjoy a book but to dislike a particular character. Please stop trying to police the way other people discuss a book. I find that very dull indeed.

Agree with this.

It's also the sign of a good author, and a well drawn character if strong feelings, positive or negative, are evoked, in my opinion.

And I often finish a book, no matter how dull a central character, for a myriad of reasons. We're all different and have different ways of expressing and critiquing what we read.

Classica · 25/02/2022 11:18

@librarygaol

I've name changed to say that my daughter has Cordelia as one of her middle names. I thought it would be extremely obvious to people here why that's AOGG connected, as people don't usually 'get' the connection.
Beautiful name! And I instantly think AoGG when I see or hear it. And it's much nicer than Geraldine which was another of Anne's beloved names Smile
tcjotm · 25/02/2022 11:48

@Classica very much a love to hate character! She made me want to stomp on her foot. But you have to be well-written to incite feelings of violence 😂.

TrashyPanda · 25/02/2022 11:49

Re names - I was surprised to read that Lucy Maud Montgomery hated Lucy and loved Maud, cos I’m the other way around. Maud just seems so drab to me.

Of course, Anne thinks her mothers name is lovely. For me, Bertha is anything but lovely!

TrashyPanda · 25/02/2022 11:50

IMO Josie is much better written than Nellie Olsen in LHOP

illyawasthebest · 25/02/2022 12:00

I'm astounded that someone can't handle others criticising characters and thinks that they should just not read the book or talk about it Grin

Paul was revolting. I skipped pages and pages throughout the later books.

BloodyForeland · 25/02/2022 12:04

@TrashyPanda

Re names - I was surprised to read that Lucy Maud Montgomery hated Lucy and loved Maud, cos I’m the other way around. Maud just seems so drab to me.

Of course, Anne thinks her mothers name is lovely. For me, Bertha is anything but lovely!

I think she’d have viewed Maud as a more romantic and literary name because of her adoration for Tennyson (‘Come into the garden, Maud’) than it would be regarded as today. Likewise Elaine, which for me as a child reader in the early 80s was a deeply ordinary name (I had several in my class), but for LMM and Anne was clearly all Arthurian romance, as when Anne nearly drowns playing the Lily Maid of Astolat.
KookaburraSits · 25/02/2022 12:15

Oh, I loved Miss Cornelia!!!

She was brilliant. My role model!

Davy annoyed me way more than Paul did. Chasing Mrs Lynd's rooster to death, putting a toad in Marilla's bed, putting caterpillars down little girls' necks, and generally making Dora's life a misery. I get that he'd had no bringing up, but it rarely seemed to be other little boys who ended up on the end of his "jokes".

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 25/02/2022 12:20

I'm enjoying all the mentions of the characters in the books. I'm looking forward to reading the books again.

TrashyPanda · 25/02/2022 12:24

My favourite name is Moody Spurgeon MacPherson.

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 25/02/2022 12:27

@TrashyPanda

My favourite name is Moody Spurgeon MacPherson.
That's hilarious Grin
Classica · 25/02/2022 12:33

@KookaburraSits

Oh, I loved Miss Cornelia!!!

She was brilliant. My role model!

Davy annoyed me way more than Paul did. Chasing Mrs Lynd's rooster to death, putting a toad in Marilla's bed, putting caterpillars down little girls' necks, and generally making Dora's life a misery. I get that he'd had no bringing up, but it rarely seemed to be other little boys who ended up on the end of his "jokes".

I fully accept that Davy was a total brat and that it was very unfair that sweet, well-behaved Dora, who never caused a moment’s upset, wasn’t held in half the affection by Anne and Marilla that Davy was. But I did like him and found his letters to Anne very entertaining.

(In real life he would have frazzled my nerves though)

Classica · 25/02/2022 12:35

@TrashyPanda

My favourite name is Moody Spurgeon MacPherson.
it's a whopper of a name Grin
BloodyForeland · 25/02/2022 12:49

@KookaburraSits

Oh, I loved Miss Cornelia!!!

She was brilliant. My role model!

Davy annoyed me way more than Paul did. Chasing Mrs Lynd's rooster to death, putting a toad in Marilla's bed, putting caterpillars down little girls' necks, and generally making Dora's life a misery. I get that he'd had no bringing up, but it rarely seemed to be other little boys who ended up on the end of his "jokes".

Yes, I admit that I thought Davy got away with murder in the way he was portrayed because Anne liked him far more than poor, well-behaved Dora and he adored Anne, whereas in many ways the stuff he did was like those two little horrors Anne babysits for a day in Anne of Windy Willows (we’re they twins? Geraldine and Smething?)
sueelleker · 25/02/2022 14:50

@TrashyPanda

Re names - I was surprised to read that Lucy Maud Montgomery hated Lucy and loved Maud, cos I’m the other way around. Maud just seems so drab to me.

Of course, Anne thinks her mothers name is lovely. For me, Bertha is anything but lovely!

Rilla thought Bertha was "beautiful and dignified".
KookaburraSits · 25/02/2022 14:57

I think I just associate Bertha with Bertha Rochester so imagine some woman in a nightie wandering round setting fire to things.

librarygaol · 25/02/2022 15:39

Yea thought people would immediately get the Cordelia reference here! My other daughter has a middle name, Maude, but not the same spelling or inspired by LMM I'm afraid.

I considered using Marilla instead of Cordelia, but only briefly. It's a second middle name, so rarely used anyway.

librarygaol · 25/02/2022 15:39

Yes, not yea!

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