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Anne of Green Gables - I have questions

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drspouse · 18/02/2022 16:09

So, I'm listening to this on Sleepy Bookshelf.
I really like it, having not read it as a child, and I'm wondering:
Are all the others worth reading?
What order do they come in? The listed order doesn't seem to match up with the dates.
And very important:
What kind of currants went into the currant wine? Because I understood that blackcurrants were banned in North America. Or is that recent? Or are these redcurrants?

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SpiderVersed · 21/02/2022 11:56

I love Anne Shirley, she was always one of my best friends as a tween and beyond.

The weakest is Windy Poplars, and my favourite is Anne Of The Island, (but only just as Green Gables is just great). Rilla is also wonderful and very moving.

Red currants grow well in North America, I'd always assumed Marilla made wine from that.

RonCarlos · 21/02/2022 12:24

That's fascinating. Never knew that!

Classica · 21/02/2022 12:38

I love Anne. I had a thread last week on the Anne With an E series which took one or two too many liberties with the story for my liking

Adore Anne of Green Gables and Anne of the Island equally. I'd love to have lived in Patty’s Place with them. (But would probably have been asked to leave when Jamesina caught me sneaking a gentleman caller into my bedroom).

Anne of Avonlea I’m also very fond of.

Have only read Anne of Windy Willows once, and was surprised at how boring I found it. Haven't re-read it since although might give it another go.

I liked Anne’s House of Dream too and was glad to see her marry although I did laugh at an outraged tweet from someone who’d just read it and was furious at the lack of sexy sauce served up to the reader Grin Grin Hated that she named her first born son after Captain James instead of Matthew. The disloyalty!

Don’t like any of the later ones, don’t care about her kids and don’t want her to be middle aged. I’m too much of an Anne fan to cope with seeing her ageing.

TheMarzipanDildo · 21/02/2022 12:46

I reckon I could write lengthy academic essays about the Anne series.

I can’t watch Anne with an E because the plot verges wildly from the books.

KookaburraSits · 21/02/2022 13:14

I’ve really enjoyed reading other people’s thoughts on Anne the homemaker/mother/wife vs Anne the writer, and yes, actually, it is consistent writing that Anne’s focus was on her family, and that writing was never the passion that it was for, say, Emily or Jo March. She did love people. I think I still find it disappointing to hear her say (of Captain Jim’s life book) that she couldn’t do it, when she’d been such a go-getter and was so sensitive and intuitive. Perhaps she was content with her family, but the ambitious part of her seemed to die. Perhaps I should be grateful she didn’t become the pushy parent, lumbering her kids with weighty expectations. Gilbert says at one point (can you tell I’ve relistened to the series recently…?) that a lot of people might think Anne the BA was wasted as the wife of a country doctor – which I suppose is a bit of a wink to the audience who wanted things other than motherhood for her.

I remember reading House of Dreams as a teenager, and being slightly alarmed by the way the power had shifted. Gilbert had hankered after Anne for so long, and then suddenly he was deciding where they were going to live, and he had chosen the house they would live in (she just had to hope that he’d chosen one she liked), and he also decided that they needed to leave it for a bigger one at the end. Her marriage to him is even described as “sweet surrender”, I think.

I have to agree, I loved the ending of the Little Women movie – though (just to lower the tone) I can really see why Jo chose the professor over Laurie based on those actors. Phew.

Re. Gilbert being a Conservative, he definitely is by HoD, but in Green Gables, Annes says he’s a Grit and she’s glad that she’s a Conservative like Matthew.

Need to do some actual work now!

Changingmynameobvs · 21/02/2022 13:34

I think Anne doesn't keep writing because her primary art form was relationships and it was this part of herself L.M. Montgomery drew on to create her. She didn't need Anne to write. She had Emily for that. And Anne had the familial happiness that L.M Montgomery never knew so she must have seemed a distant figure as her rather tragic life went on.

Changingmynameobvs · 21/02/2022 13:35

Gilbert is always worrying about her doing too much (ie non-home things), but never worrying about her having more babies.

That is actually not the case.

Classica · 21/02/2022 13:47

I always felt sad that motherhood meant that Phil from Anne of the Island lost her great beauty and that her homely husband Jo was happy about this.

sueelleker · 21/02/2022 13:59

Hated that she named her first born son after Captain James instead of Matthew. The disloyalty!
She did give him Matthew as a middle name though.

Classica · 21/02/2022 14:03

She did, but Matthew deserved more than middle name place. Some annoying, overly-chatty, johnny-come-lately neighbour being given top billing irked me Grin

RonCarlos · 21/02/2022 14:34

I haven't been able to bring myself to watch Anne with an E yet. I was obsessed with the Meghan Fellows version, and Road to Avonlea. Ashamed to say I have never read the books beyond the first. Not entirely sure I want to, reading this. Homemaker bowing down to Gilbert's view? What?!

ArabeI · 21/02/2022 15:27

As much as I found the Anne with an 'E' an interesting adaptation, and possibly quite realistic, from the point of view of the impact of her earlier life, I couldn't manage to watch beyond the first season.

Also loved the Follows AOGG.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 21/02/2022 15:35

I wanted to like Anne with an E.

But it just veered further and further away from the book and became like a totally unrealistic storyline for that time in history.

So Sadl stopped watching it

Natsku · 21/02/2022 16:01

I loved all the Anne books, read and reread them many times as a teenager (I think I was 12 or 13 when my mum gave them to me - and she still has them in her attic to give to my DD, I need to get them before she moves house and they get lost in the move!). Gilbert became a less likeable as the books went on though, and the books had some much sadder bits later on - I shed lots of tears over the later books!

Waitwhat23 · 21/02/2022 16:23

I adore the Anne of Green Gables series, though am less bothered about the later ones when Anne reaches middle age and the focus is on her children (some of whom are completely uninteresting). The dog waiting at the station and the foreshadowing of Walter's death are deeply moving though.

I couldn't even attempt to watch Anne with an E after I read what they had done with Matthew's character - it's a complete betrayal of his character.

I agree with Mark Twain's view that Anne is 'The sweetest creation of childlike yet written'. I am massively cynical but it's a sweet, gentle story of love and hope and hard work and imagination and simple pleasures.

This thread has given me the notion to re-read them again!

SnakeLinguine · 21/02/2022 16:43

[quote ThePlantsitter]@tcjotm I wouldn't want to be Emily's kid, would you? I love the books but she is too self contained. It would be like being parented by a distant star.[/quote]
A distant, rather vain, extremely snobbish, purple-eyed, faun-eared star. 😀

Yes, I think LMM was differentiating the Emily trilogy from the Anne books in making Emily a much more difficult human being and a much more serious writer than Anne. The Emily books were written in the mid-1920s, after Anne’s House of Dreams and the two books that focus on Anne’s children, and before she went back and inserted Anne of Windy Willows/Poplars and Anne of Ingleside, so she’d already established Anne on more of a family track than a professional writer one. Even though Emily turns down the opportunity to go to the US and be mentored by the famous writer Janet Royal, she is able to focus on writing while living at home, as she doesn’t need to earn her living as Anne does because her adoptive family are comparatively wealthy. Not unrelatedly, she writes two novels (the one Dean Priest tells her is ‘flimsy’ and that she burns, and the one that is actually published, while Anne writes sketches. Emily’s friends are also ambitious, and her love life is darker and more complex than Anne’s one student relationship with Roy Gardner before becoming engaged to Gilbert.

Classica · 21/02/2022 17:05

Anne was walking out with Royal Gardner for two years before she threw him over for being too boring and ungilberty. I’m not sure how much amorous behaviour would have been considered acceptable for a ‘respectable’ young woman in a steady relationship in the 1880s. Basically what I’ve wondered is, would it have been assumed some heavy petting would have been the norm during such a courtship, if never spoken of, or if it was really just lots of walks in the park and a few chaste pecks.

I am sorry for lowering the tone.

ArabeI · 21/02/2022 19:41

I must read the Emily books now, if only to compare.

I agree about a reread of the Anne books also, it's tempting after the thread here. I reread the first couple of books some years ago, but not the rest. Some books don't do well to revisit as an adult, but I, personally, think Anne is one of the exceptions.

ABitBesotted · 21/02/2022 19:44

Totally forgot about Emily! I had one of those and loved it. But all the Anne books I had and reread many, many times.

tcjotm · 21/02/2022 23:15

You’ve all reassured me about not watching Anne with an E. I keep seeing it but it scares me. I’ll stay away.

Love the Megan Followes version, at least at first. I think it’s a tragic waste of such amazing casting that they diverged so far from the books in later series.

Gilbert was definitely concerned about Anne’s health re- babies. And with reason. Three uneventful pregnancies ( though the first was a bad delivery), then the fourth was twins and the 5th nearly killed her. Nowadays we’d say they had two healthy boys and two healthy girls, quit while ahead. He probably really regretted Shirley and Rilla probably terrified him though worked out ok.

tcjotm · 21/02/2022 23:21

@Classica I think pretty restrained petting at most. The community was mostly Presbyterian and Methodist and someone says in one of the books about ministers children not even being allowed to dance… it was a pretty conservative. In most cases, they married so young it didn’t matter. I suspect all of Gilbert and Anne’s unchaperoned wanderings through the woods probably raised some eyebrows, but they were both very clearly ‘respectable’ which would’ve given the benefit of the doubt.

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 21/02/2022 23:24

Reading this thread with nostalgia! I remember reading the Anne books when I was around 12-15 years old. I borrowed most of them from the library. The mention upthread of the dog waiting for Walter at the station. Gosh, I remember how sad that was. I'm not sure I would read them again, but I loved them at the time.

SnakeLinguine · 22/02/2022 00:08

@Classica

Anne was walking out with Royal Gardner for two years before she threw him over for being too boring and ungilberty. I’m not sure how much amorous behaviour would have been considered acceptable for a ‘respectable’ young woman in a steady relationship in the 1880s. Basically what I’ve wondered is, would it have been assumed some heavy petting would have been the norm during such a courtship, if never spoken of, or if it was really just lots of walks in the park and a few chaste pecks.

I am sorry for lowering the tone.

It’s a fair point, because the unmarried, younger LMM’s diaries are quite frank about her letting a man into her bedroom to engage ion what sounds like heavy petting stopping short of actual sex. I think she intends Anne to be a far less sexual creature, though.
AKASammyScrounge · 22/02/2022 01:40

This thread has taken me back several decades to Saturday mornings when my Dad and I went to the library for our weekly fix of books. I loved the Anne Shirley books
and used to spend Saturday afternoon lying
on my bed, reading.
There was another book, similar in type:
'A Girl Of The Limberlost' by LM Montgomery. Anyone else remember that one too.

AKASammyScrounge · 22/02/2022 01:45

Sorry that should be by Gene Stratton Porter in not LM Montgomery.

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