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To read How White Feminism betrays Women of Colour

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OneDrop · 18/03/2021 11:55

This book has just been suggested to me
White Tears Brown Scars

To read or not to read. I’m feeling exhausted and I’m in the middle of moving home but it’s an important conversation.

I’m a person of colour and was recently invited to an online allies group who will be discussing this book and ‘Whites’ on Saturday morning.

I was willing to go through a fair bit of discomfort at Greenham Common. Maybe putting time in here is more important to my children than unpacking...

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Sadik · 19/03/2021 22:33

X-post - I'm glad you're in :)

Ineedaneasteregg · 19/03/2021 23:18

Glad you have moved in OP.

I think that feminists need to be careful to not make too many assumptions about the similarities between the USA and the UK.
The common use of English as the main language can lead to people thinking that they have a lot more in common both historically and in the present than they actually do.
They are very different countries with different histories. You rarely hear of France and the UK being run together or the UK and Germany despite the close links they have had.

Audio books are often a good idea, my library has a lot you can download virtually from an app on the phone.

ArcheryAnnie · 25/03/2021 17:41

Congratulations on your new home, OP. Moving house is SO exhausting.

I'm following this thread to see what you all think of the book - I haven't yet read it.

WildBactrian · 25/03/2021 18:50

@Number3BigCupOfTea

Im white but the sort of feminism i care about is safety for women in the law, supports for the poorest women, refuges and womens aid and legal aid being accessible, supports to access training, removing obstacles to financial independence, affordable childcare etc

I read "white tears brown scars" and i dont understand how "my" feminism is harming anybody or how feminism differs for white women and women of colour.

I see there are extra obstacles for black women, but to not identify with feminism because it doesnt also take race in to account is hard to understand.
Why do some black women not identify with feminism? Why do they consider it white?

I haven't read the book, but I can address your question from a UK personal perspective.

White feminist organising tends to involve a hierarchy of thinking about the 'freedoms' western women have achieved, and which the rest of the world is lacking. I never went into activist spaces as a black Muslim woman, I went as a woman. I never made assumptions about the (white) women in those spaces, but realised cultural assumptions were being made about me which subordinated me and I have come away very much aware of my 'difference' which makes me unlikely to enter such spaces again.

For example, people would preface any interaction with 'I hate all religions but...' 'I don't agree with hijab, I think it's blah blah blah, but so long as you choose to wear it that's fine.' Well thank you very much for your permission Hmm This, when the topic under discussion had nothing to do with religion or dress.

Imagine if I came into the space saying, 'I hate all atheism and secularism but I'm prepared to talk to you people in spite of that' ??

It's as though they feel their feminism will be tainted by association unless they make their positions very clear. It certainly doesn't create a welcoming environment. It's not about listening to my needs, but more about the oppression they imagine we face from Muslim men, which more often than not comes from non-Muslim women in the workplace and other public spaces.

Other issues to contend with when navigating white activist spaces is being made the face of diversity, but finding no one actually wants to know what you think. Dare to open your mouth and you're labelled ungrateful.

People assuming I can relate to certain groups better than they can or that I can speak for certain groups is another common misconception. e.g. Black working class women, or Muslim women from other countries. Sure, I can relate to both on some level, but so can they.

I've seen the threads in FWR and BMN, but the former did not feel like a safe space to post this in. Maybe the latter, but I wanted to try to answer Number3's question.

Congratulations on your move OP, and sorry if this derailed.

MabelPines · 25/03/2021 19:25

I think there’s also a class issue in feminism too, but the current framing of identity politics around everything is divisive and unhelpful, there isn’t a hierarchy of oppression, there are many ‘sections’ of women who face challenges other than just their sex, we can acknowledge that and support each other whilst working in our different ‘sections’ to achieve the common goal of liberating women from the patriarchy.

Number3BigCupOfTea · 25/03/2021 19:35

@WildBactrian, thanks for your response. I appreciate it.
I'm not much of an activist but the things I care about are quite specific. ie, childcare. Women's health and safety.
We lived through repeal the 8th here in Ireland where I live ! That was so divisive. It was horrible. I went around feeling angry, and scared of the power the other side had with their vote. I wish we could vote on all the other issues that affect women. :-/

ImaginaryDragon · 26/03/2021 12:11

I am I the middle of reading this book and would like to thank you @OneDrop for putting in on my radar. Interesting read given this post was moved from one board to another... I am glad your move went well.

OneDrop · 26/03/2021 13:25

Thank you so much everyone who’s putting their thoughts, experiences and questions here.

I have got so much to process I feel like I need to write a book to deal with it all! I’ve never actually written book, just a huge stack of journals and notes which are now very physically in my face as I gradually unpack.

Lots of thought provoking books from my childhood are also coming out of long stored boxes.

A year ago my late Dad had an unavoidable hospital appointment on his birthday. It’s likely that was when he caught Covid. I miss him.

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MabelPines · 26/03/2021 19:19

OneDrop

Flowers Hope you are doing ok.

OneDrop · 29/03/2021 00:20

Thank you MabelPines we are settling in 🏡

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MrsIsobelCrawley · 29/03/2021 00:25

@NiceGerbil

It's interesting though that this is the 3rd thread I've seen about white feminists and racism, on 3 different boards, in 2 days.

Seems like a very very hot topic all of s sudden.

How dare they raise the issue!
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