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50 Book Challenge 2021 Part Two

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southeastdweller · 12/01/2021 16:03

Welcome to the second thread of the 50 Book Challenge for this year.

The challenge is to read fifty books (or more!) in 2021, though reading fifty isn't mandatory. Any type of book can count, and please try to let us all know your thoughts on what you've read. Could everyone embolden their titles and/or authors as well, please, as it makes the books talked about easier to track?

The first thread of the year is here.

OP posts:
CoteDAzur · 20/01/2021 12:28

"I don't think I would classify this as 'sci-fi'"

But it IS sci-fi. It is exactly what SF is and has always been Confused

"This is not just a story about clones though. This a story about degrees of separation... it's about how well we really know the people we love and how well we know ourselves. What is programmed, unavoidable, unchangeable about ourselves, and what parts can we fight against? What is a person? What makes them more than a clone?"

That's exactly what SF explores. These are exactly the themes explored in such SF books since time immemorial - Asimov's I, Robot and lesser-known The Bicentennial Man, Arthur C Clarke's 2001: A Space Odyssey, Robert Heinlein's Time Enough For Love, Philip K Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, and even David Mitchell's Cloud Atlas (in "An Orison of Somni-451") and many more.

SF is the perfect medium to explore such grand philosophical ideas and concerns, far better than the "Breadmaker's Daughter", "Undertaker's Mistress" books Wink since in SF the author is free to take the characters out of our everyday context and put them in an unknown future, another planet, or a completely digital environment, and ask questions like "So, what makes us human, if it is not this, that, or that?".

VikingNorthUtsire · 20/01/2021 12:35

Solinvictus, I'm always glad to find someone who hated the Adam Kay for the same reasons I did. Your review was excellent and not just for that reason.

Terps, thank you for your review of the elements book, I will keep an eye out for it (my DS might also enjoy as he's doing a chemistry A Level).

It's funny how people read books, isn't it? I totally agreed with the poster (Paris ?) who said that when people say the didn't like a character, they usually mean that the character was poorly written - unconvincing, unengaging. Certainly we have loads of favourite despicable villains from centuries of great writing. But then I too remembered a book group that I once belonged to where the main two topics of conversation on any book were "Did you like the characters" and "Would you have done what X did?". It was like we hadn't read a book but had met a group of people down the pub and were talking about them, and I think if you read like that then you probably DO want to spend your time with characters that you like rather than unlikeable ones however well-written.

As we've already strayed into talking about TTOD, Station 11, female authors and all the usual flashpoints, I just wanted to reassure any new posters that all opinions are welcome, the discussion is sometimes lively but always good-humoured, and you don't have to agree with any individual posters nor with majority opinion (on the odd occasion that there is a majority opinion). I think every reader has books, and genres, which they can't stand (personally I would name Adam Kay and the fucking street cat); this is a place where you can be vocal about that but inevitably someone at some point is going to be very rude about a book you love. Please stick around and tell us why they are wrong :)

4. Bricks and Mortar, Helen Ashton

This gentle novel opens in 1890s Rome, where Martin, a young architect just starting out in his career, has arrived on holiday. He spends his first day wandering the streets, transported by the beauty of the buildings, then returns to his cheap hotel where he is seated for dinner next to a pretty young English girl and her forceful mother. One thing leads to another, and the couple return to England barely acquainted but married.

The book follows Martin and Letty through their married life, the birth of children, house moves, minor domestic worries and times of great sadness. A lot of time is spent on the architecture of their various homes, on the buildings that Martin works on, and the ones that he looks at on his travels - I have to admit I wish I knew more about architecture as there definitely seemed to be clues given to people's characters from the type of buildings that they preferred, and I couldn't picture those in my head.

What I liked about this book is that it was written by someone who lived through this period herself, and unlike a modern author, Ashton feels no need to jump onto every Significant Historic Event happening at the time. In fact, the Lovells often seem barely aware of the goings-on in the world around them. The Great War has an impact of course, but it's handled very differently to the way you would expect, and somehow felt more real for being experienced mostly through the lives of normal people on the Home Front (I do recognise that books like Birdsong are real too, but a reality that we are lucky not to be able to imagine easily).

The writing was beautifully clear and just flowed effortlessly, so that although not much happened, I was never bored, often amused, and just felt like I was living life alongside these people they were very likeable actually

5. My Sister the Serial Killer, Oyinkan Braithwaite

Much reviewed here and I am sure you know what it is about. This is really easy to read, lively and original, but I struggled. I just couldn't categorise it at all - is it the blackest of black comedies? Social satire? Slippery unreliable narrator? To me it felt a bit like being on a waltzer, it would slow down just long enough for you to get your moral bearings then you were off again, spinning around and losing sight of which way was up. I didn't love the experience, if I am honest, but I would certainly read more by this author.

InTheCludgie · 20/01/2021 13:19

Bricks and Mortar sounds interesting, I've added it to my wishlist based on your lovely review Viking.

karmatsunami85 · 20/01/2021 13:21

@CoteDAzur Thanks for that - I don't usually read sci-fi (so probably had no clue what I was talking about re: what is/isn't sci-fi) but the blurb for this book intrigued me. I have to confess to never having read Asimov but I think I'll add him to my 'TBR' list for the year. If you can recommend anything else that explores these sorts of issues with cloning then I'm all ears!

FortunaMajor · 20/01/2021 13:24

The Echo Wife sounds really interesting karma.

I do think there is a grey crossover area of sci-fi lite where the author relies on readers allowing a bit of liberty with the science element. Whereas others will go to great care to make sure it is exact.

We saw with NLMG that some of us were happy to take it at face value and for others the ropey science ruined the book.

I'm in the camp of let it go. I'm not a scientist and it's fiction. A bit of bad science (that I'm generally none the wiser about anyway) is no worse that some of the flights of fancy in a lot of magical realism.

I generally wouldn't pick up any hardcore sci-fi, but I don't mind the odd bit of sci-fi lite even if it isn't a perfect example of the genre.

CoteDAzur · 20/01/2021 14:52

karma - You are in for an amazing ride! Smile Definitely start with Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? and work your way through the rest. I read Asimov's books as a teenager and I imagine that they would be considered YA these days. Still, he was incredibly influential in his day and should be read by anyone who is interested in this subject.

To the list above, I would add Adrian Tchaikovsky's Dogs of War and Ian McEwan's Machines Like Me.

Far be it from me to recommend Never Let me Go but it's also on this subject. If you read and review it, that would give us the excuse to have another NLMG bunfight, which would be great Grin

AthosRoussos · 20/01/2021 15:33

Very late to the second thread. Thanks @southeastdweller.

Flowers to magimedi. I'm so sorry to hear of your news. I hope this thread, and reading generally, can be a source of comfort for you.

  1. Red Rising, Pierce Brown

This was great. Really good, well-written sci-fi, with an interesting main character and decent world-building. It's YA (which I'm perfectly happy with, but I know would put others off) but it's good YA, done properly.

Darrow is a Red, a miner who lives below the surface of Mars, tasked with extracting helium-3, needed for terraforming the surface of the planet above so the rest of humankind can escape a dying Earth and live there. Human society is now split into colour castes: the Golds rule, Yellows are doctors, Greens advance tech, Greys are the foot soldiers, and so on. Reds are crucial to the saving of the human race, but are also at the bottom of the pile, socially.

Then there comes the revelation that not all is as it seems, and Darrow ends up in a Ender's Game/Hunger Games-type scenario, fighting back against the establishment.

It's the first in a trilogy, and I want to read the rest, but might wait for them to come down in price a tad. Unless I get impatient.

  1. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, J. K. Rowling

I like having something to listen to whilst cooking/pottering around the house, but it needs to be something I know well so I don't mind missing bits when I'm being noisy. Potter fits the bill perfectly.

Off to catch up with the rest of the thread now.

mackerella · 20/01/2021 15:47

Great review, Viking - the Helen Ashton's gone straight onto my TBR too. And a lovely reminder about why this thread is so great: passionate arguments by people who don't always agree, but who respect each other's opinions and are brought together by a love of reading Smile. (I am personally avoiding all the bunfights through the cunning strategy of not having read any of the contentious books.)

I do think there is a grey crossover area of sci-fi lite where the author relies on readers allowing a bit of liberty with the science element. Whereas others will go to great care to make sure it is exact.

That's a really interesting point, Fortuna. In a previous life, I started (but abandoned) a PhD that was partly about public perceptions of the profession that I was then working in. I had a chapter about portrayals of this particular profession in fiction (there are lots of them, as it's seen - wrongly - as a glamorous area in which to work, and it also allows authors to indulge in some clunking great metaphors). Whenever I talked to colleagues/fellow professionals about it, there were always some who got very worked up about the accuracy of these portrayals - and would rant on about how this or that author had got particular technical details incorrect, and how this completely ruined the book. Other people were completely unbothered by this, and just wanted to enjoy the story (and feel a tiny bit proud that their relatively obscure profession had made it into print). Personally, I was more interested in why authors had chosen to portray this profession in a novel, and what it said about the public image of said profession, than I was by how realistic the depiction was. I guess the same is true of sci fi for me. (This is only true up to a point - there are always some books that strain psychological credibility too far, or which seem almost wilfully stupid without any redeeming benefits in terms of wider artistic merit!)

PepeLePew · 20/01/2021 16:02

I think you have nailed it, re: sci-fi, Fortuna. I have read relatively little "hard sci-fi" but have been impressed and in awe when I did (thinking of Neal Stephenson here). Most of my dabblings in the genre are probably the sort that would make hard sci-fi adherents roll their eyes, but I read to entertain myself and be transported elsewhere. If I realised there was some fundamental plot detail that was flawed and which undermined the integrity of the story, that would be an issue for me. But I can forgive quite a lot if the story is good and entertaining and I'm getting something out of it. My main criticism of NLMG, as I recall, was that as far as I was concerned it was just very boring.

JaninaDuszejko · 20/01/2021 16:33

I'm a scientist, a biologist and what I liked about NLMG was it made no attempt at all to explain the science so there was no 'getting it wrong' to worry about. Although the 3 operations thing was a bit lot questionable.

On the other hand Margaret Atwood's Oryx avd Crake novels are reasonably good on the science, there's an obvious massive step forward on the knowledge of gene function allowing more complex manipulation than we can currently do but a lot of the detail is good. Her brother is a scientist so I wonder if she got him to check the details. I think there's a good depiction of a scientist in Cats Eyes as well? Possibly the father of one of the main characters?

Anyway, speaking of sci-fi (and indeed what it is to be human) I have taken a break from the harrowing The Five and read another kids book:

5 Hilo All the Pieces Fit by Judd Winick

Final book in DS's series. Still funny, still lots of aliens, robots with feelings and a talking cat that does magic. Love it.

For the PP who asked if graphic novels count I really hope so because 3 of my books so far are graphic novels, for kids at that! I think we rather dismiss graphic novels in this country but a good graphic novel does something different to a standard novel and that should be appreciated more (plus they are quick to read). I can recommend Fun Home: A Family Tragicomic by Alison Bechdel and Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi, both autobiographical graphic novels that are really worth reading.

Midnightstar76 · 20/01/2021 17:50

5) The End of Her by Shari Lapena This was an audiobook read by Karissa Vacker and published July 2020. This is a domestic thriller. Stephanie and Patrick are recent newlyweds with girl twin babies with colic and all the sleep deprivation that goes hand in hand with babies. Stephanie is happy with her lot and has everything she has ever wanted. However along comes a lady called Erica who is part of Patrick’s past. Erica makes accusations that Patrick killed his first wife Lindsey. Patrick proclaims his innocence. Okay this was a just okay book for me, not dreadful but not fantastic either. I give 3/5. To be fair I think I have had enough of reading about psycho ladies who are hell bent on destroying lives. My last book was quite similar. So my review may be slightly skewed with being slightly bored by the same type of book. Would I recommend? Well no. I also found the narrator annoying when trying to do a male voice. That did not work at all. I have another thriller lined up Lost Souls by Jonathan Kellerman but I seriously need a break from thrillers.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 20/01/2021 19:15

@MegBusset

Remus yes I think it might have been you who recommended The Birthday Boys when I was going through my Antarctic phase a few years back Grin

I have a massive crush on BB since watching part of her documentary An English Journey and hoping to read my way through all her catalogue so if anyone can recommend which are the best reads that would be great.

Those 2 are the only ones I've read, but you've made me fancy trying another. A couple are cheap on Kindle - shall we both get the same one and report back?
LaBelleSauvage123 · 20/01/2021 19:19

*6 The Innocents by Michael Crummey. A bleak but gripping tale of two orphans struggling to survive alone on a deserted part of the Newfoundland coast, the novel raises questions about innocence, knowledge and experience. I loved it, but I’m a sucker for a survival story!

LaBelleSauvage123 · 20/01/2021 19:20

Whoops sorry bold fail

Tarahumara · 20/01/2021 19:48

On the subject of sci-fi, I'm usually fairly relaxed about suspending disbelief and letting the author get away with a few plot holes, but the example I can think of that made me REALLY mad was A Tale for Time Being by Ruth Ozeki. I don't mind inconsistencies in made-up science, but if you're going to incorporate actual real science into a fiction book then you need to stick with the facts. That's not how quantum physics works!!!

Passmethecrisps · 20/01/2021 19:59

I remember reading a Secret History$ and it sticking with me for a very long time. A character would pop into my head and I would wonder how they were before remembering they they were from a book rather than someone j had once known. I have read My Little Friend - in fact I have read it once and then read it half again before I realised. Fair to say it didn’t make the same impression. I am keen to try Goldfinch*

  1. Piranisi - Susanna Clark
I downloaded this following a couple of reviews on here - including a fairly poor one which made me think “that person hated that - I think it sounds right up my ally”. I decided to try the Whispersync deal with Amazon and I don’t think I will look back. I was struggling reading it initially but the narrator is so wonderful that I was absolutely gripped. The story’s first person narration and very limited dialogue with different characters really helps though.

I though the world building was absolutely fabulous - I was starting to really see this waterlogged world of ancient structures. The only part I found confusing was the occasional use of the word pavement which seemed incongruous for what I imagined the House to be like.

I haven’t been as gripped by a book in a long time. It was really unique and despite the magical realism I found it all quite believable in its own way.

I am now on Ben Aaronovitch’s second novel of the Rivers of London Series, *Moon Over Soho”. Again I have downloaded the Whispersync along with kindle so I can make the most of the very limited time I get alone in the car!

Passmethecrisps · 20/01/2021 20:00

Sorry - absolute bolding fail!! That’s what I get for trying to wrestle bedtime with updating the thread

Stokey · 20/01/2021 20:56

@VikingNorthUtsire totally agree with your review of My sister, the serial killer. I felt much the same when I read it last year. I think it was meant to be a dark comedy but not convinced it pulled it off.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 20/01/2021 21:03

[quote Stokey]**@VikingNorthUtsire* totally agree with your review of My sister, the serial killer*. I felt much the same when I read it last year. I think it was meant to be a dark comedy but not convinced it pulled it off.[/quote]
I thought it was really adolescent and irritating. My dp loved it though.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 20/01/2021 21:34

I, too, was underwhelmed with My Sister, The Serial Killer

Currently really struggling with A Thousand Splendid Suns might be a DNF At my usual rate it would be done by now but I just can't be arsed to pick it up.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 20/01/2021 21:37

Eine - it's not good. It doesn't get better. I finished it and wished I hadn't. It's only plus point is it's not quite as terrible as And the Mountains Echoed. I 'may' have got into a fight about the latter elsewhere today.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 20/01/2021 21:38

Remus

Fuck, its just boring, isn't it?

DNF then

Thanks!

AthosRoussos · 20/01/2021 21:48

It's been really interesting reading all the discussions.

I've only read one Anne Tyler, The Accidental Tourist, which I loved. It definitely falls into the category of somewhat useless chap and kooky woman though.

King - My first King was On Writing, which is probably an unusual starting point as it's his memoir on his experiences as a writer. I really enjoyed it, so went on to read The Gunslinger, which was a bit odd (were lobsters involved?), and then Pet Sematary, which I got halfway through and then gave up on. I don't really remember why, as it was a few years ago. I think perhaps I was just reading something else that caught my attention more, and didn't go back to it. I haven't really been tempted to.

With Donna Tartt I've read The Secret History, and thought it was excellent, but haven't fancied The Goldfinch. I listened to TSH on audio, read by the author. She has a wonderfully interesting voice.

finisterreforever · 20/01/2021 21:49

I think I might go back to my previous username, this one isn't growing on me.

Just finished with Kit Fielding in Break In, a quick read because I couldn't sleep last night.

I can't find anything I want to read next, nothing in my TBR is standing out. Tricky times at the moment, as for so many of us.

Stokey · 20/01/2021 21:53

Remus Grin

Have avoided A Thousand Splendid Suns after reviews on here.

  1. The City Of Brass - S. A. Chakraborty. This was a fantasy book set in the Middle East, which was recommended as original modern fantasy and had rave reviews from Robin Hobbs. The main character is a female thief living in Cairo. It has djinns, magic carpets, and such like but I hadn't realised it was YA before reading it, so was expecting something more original. The first half is a pretty boring love story/road trip where the thief falls for the Djinn who doesn't have many redeeming qualities, violent, racist etc. She finally arrives at the magic city and then you get a long exposition on world building. There's a second story line going on about a religious prince that is as dull as it sounds. It kind of picks up towards the end but lots of loose ends and unconvincing characters. I'm relieved to have finished it and won't be seekimg out the rest of the trilogy.
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