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Troubled Blood - *Spoiler-laden discussion*

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EllacottObsessive · 22/11/2020 20:48

Setting this up for Strike and Ellacott fans to talk about spoilery things.

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Kit19 · 26/11/2020 18:26

Luckily I myself have never seen any of these ‘gifs’ of which you speak 👀👀🤣

EllacottObsessive · 26/11/2020 18:32

Shhhhhhh

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Kit19 · 26/11/2020 18:45

Well erm goodness it’s suddenly got very hot in here 🥵🥵🥵 I mean damn

(Tries to wrench brain back to serious book matters 🤪)

EllacottObsessive · 26/11/2020 18:49

I'll be off in the corner doing penance. Or something.Blush

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EllacottObsessive · 26/11/2020 18:49

Aaaaaaaanyway.

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parentalhelpline · 26/11/2020 20:38

Absolutely not enough chest hair there to need a brush HmmGrin

EllacottObsessive · 26/11/2020 20:43

It's the low lighting. Besides, I'd be quite happy to volunteer to test out the theory.

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PopperUppleton · 26/11/2020 21:21

Heavens to Murgatroyd

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 26/11/2020 21:29

Heavens to Murgatroyd

Snagglepuss!

EllacottObsessive · 26/11/2020 21:32

There we go, that should settle everything down before bed. N'night!

Troubled Blood - *Spoiler-laden discussion*
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Kit19 · 26/11/2020 21:59

Popper that always makes me think of this 😆

Annnywayyyy yes!!

When the 6th book comes out I want it to be “strike & ellacourt PI” to reflect their professional relationship

Troubled Blood - *Spoiler-laden discussion*
parentalhelpline · 26/11/2020 23:06

Just reading Troubled Blood for the nth time (where n stands for a number that is way too large) and noticed Robin calling Strike out on another occasion.

'What's your sign?' asked Robin, trying to work it out.
'No idea.'
'Oh sod off,' said Robin.
He looked at her taken aback.
'You're being affected!' she said. 'Everyone knows their star sign. Don't pretend to be above it.'
Strike grinned reluctantly, took a large drag on his cigarette, exhaled, then said,
'Sagittarius, Scorpio rising, with the sun in the first house.'

I feel like she is getting braver, all the way through this book, and it is so delightful to see. Just because she is not a virago like Charlotte doesn't mean that she is a pushover.

I think that she does sometimes let people get away with stuff because she is intimidated, but sometimes it is because she is truly kind and empathetic, and sees behind the behaviour to what is causing it. When it does matter, she is learning to speak out, and I love that development in her character.

Kit19 · 27/11/2020 10:50

ive just got to that bit in my reread Parental. She definitely does get braver - she starts off calling Strike out, I think because she knows he's 'safe' and that in turn gives her confidence to stop taking shit from other men. Almost like Strike gives her a bit of a practice run at it.

I must admit Im always intrigued by the flashbacks of Charlotte and Strike and I veer between "why didnt he leave the mad abusive cow?" and "come on Kit you know its not always simple to leave an abusive relationship".

EllacottObsessive · 27/11/2020 13:43

I have a theory about Strike and Charlotte. parental knows it already because we chat.

I'm going from the psychology of the two people as presented, rather than anything overt in the text, but my working theory is that Charlotte knew who Strike was when he crossed the room to chat her up, and as a woman who had grown up in a dysfunctional family herself, with a taste for drama, she was always interested.
I think they would have become very close very quickly - obviously sexually, but also massively oversharing, which creates a sudden, false sense of intimacy which can distort the perception of the relationship and contribute to the destructive codepency that characterizes what we end up seeing in TCC and onwards. They were together through some hugely significant life events, like him losing his leg etc. too, and, consciously or unconsciously, Charlotte appears to have leant on the similarities in their background to cement the bond (I'm thinking here of her reaction to his rare self pity about being 'an accident', where she cossets his nonsense, instead of challenging it like Robin does.)

Whereas, by contrast, Robin and Strike's emotional intimacy has evolved quite naturally over time, and not been artificially manipulated by either of them, nor by the heady addition of sexual intimacy. It's allowed both of them to continue to grow and develop as people, and the times they have clashed have been leaps forward in communication that have helped each of them be better people separately.

If I could shorthand it, I'd say that Charlotte/Strike is essentially two damaged people damaging each other further by sucking the life out of each other, and Robin/Strike is two damaged people who are healing and growing closer in the process, and making each other better.

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PopperUppleton · 27/11/2020 13:49

That's a really interesting way of looking at it. I wish he'd each a tipping point when he realises the damage Charlotte causes to everyone round her and finally kicks her into touch. He's getting there! She sounds exhausting

parentalhelpline · 27/11/2020 14:08

I actually had more sympathy for Charlotte in TB in some ways. The texts she sends Strike are heart-breaking and deeply manipulative at the same time (and I was so pleased he is detached enough now to recognise both those things.) She's just such a deeply damaged person, and yet she might have been a lovely, funny, clever person without her messed-up family background. Strike has seen both the best of her and the worst of her - and that, plus the things EO mentions below - explains the bond. It's actually quite liberating to be with someone who knows all the terrible things you have done but loves you anyway. The problem for Strike and Charlotte is that she cannot stop manipulating him and he cannot cope with her lies any more.

I read the bit about how she often ruined his birthdays if he didn't do what she wanted, and it threw more light on the importance of marking birthdays in TB. Strike learns that real love means recognising what matters to people, and Robin's attention to these things for him and others (pink roses) shows what a lovely person she is. He is learning to respond, not with Charlottian grand gestures (like the green dress) or stereotypical presents like the salted caramels, but with meaningful and thoughtful balloon donkeys and perfume.

Kit19 · 27/11/2020 14:38

I love theories! :D

I think with Strike and Charlotte there's also an element of him wanting to 'save' her the way he couldnt save his mother. His mother was chaotic and temptestuous so that's his template of relationships. Grandioise gestures, high emotion, despair to ecstasy and back again. He tries to save Charlotte but of course he cant because she doesnt want to be anything other than what she is because that's what she learned from her upbringing

Whereas, by contrast, Robin and Strike's emotional intimacy has evolved quite naturally over time, and not been artificially manipulated by either of them, nor by the heady addition of sexual intimacy. It's allowed both of them to continue to grow and develop as people, and the times they have clashed have been leaps forward in communication that have helped each of them be better people separately

yes very much this!

Lancelottie · 27/11/2020 14:40

I know it was a typo, but 'temptestuous' is a brilliant word for Charlotte.

EllacottObsessive · 27/11/2020 14:44

Isn't it!

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EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 27/11/2020 15:07

This is such a fantastic thread. I think I’m going to reread TB.

Kit19 · 27/11/2020 15:07

I have invented a new word Grin

i shall give up work for the day!

Lancelottie · 27/11/2020 15:56
Grin
PopperUppleton · 27/11/2020 15:58

How often on MN do you see the advice that women model to their children what a relationship looks like and how not to normalise abuse

Kit19 · 27/11/2020 16:29

@PopperUppleton

How often on MN do you see the advice that women model to their children what a relationship looks like and how not to normalise abuse
Honestly popper that was what made me think of it. What did strike learn from his mother? That relationships are messy & tempestuous & don’t last. I think that maybe that was another reason he stuck by Charlotte, men left his mother on a regular basis & he was not going to be that guy.

Interestingly Robin’s parents relationship seems uber normal but there is a sense that as the only girl, she was bottom of the pecking order behind her brothers

parentalhelpline · 27/11/2020 16:47

Honestly popper that was what made me think of it. What did strike learn from his mother? That relationships are messy & tempestuous & don’t last. I think that maybe that was another reason he stuck by Charlotte, men left his mother on a regular basis & he was not going to be that guy.

Definitely agree. If Leda and Charlotte are examples of what he thinks love is, then maybe his reluctance to name his feelings for Robin is because he doesn't want to interpret them as love by that dysfunctional measure. It's interesting the number of times we are told Strike has feelings he prefers not to dwell on or name. He thinks love always turns bad. I'm hoping the next book moves him on from that significantly as Robin's kindness and generosity gives him a better picture of what love looks like.

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