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Mumsnet Book club, The Water Horse Review

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sophiewd · 16/01/2007 12:43

Ok I'll kick off. I thought it was a bit of a bodice ripper, with a fairly weak and covenient love story, but the description of the hospital and the war made up for the books downsides. sorry its short but ot to pick up from nursery

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MissGolightly · 16/01/2007 14:42

I broadly agree with Sophie, I thought the writing was generally very good - especially the bits about the war and the loss of Catherine's mother - and I was deeply impressed by the amount of research and period detail Gregson put in. I didn't realise until I read the Guardian review afterwards, that Catherine Carreg was a real person - according to Rachel Hore's review anyway.

But I felt the plotting was weak and that Gregson let herself get carried away with the love scenes. The tight writing frequently gave way to cliche, verging on Mills and Boon at times. I particularly squirmed at the end when she started off on the "tender probing of his tongue", yurch. And I was not impressed by the cheesy "no I don't want to oh all right then rape me if you must well he's a man and has needs and anyway he's in love so it's ok" rape/love scene between Catherine and Deio. Ok, standard fare for the Forever Amber school of bodice ripper, but surely in this day and age writers have got to be a bit more sophisticated than that?

Overall though, a good read.

Ok, who's next?

pianist · 16/01/2007 14:51

I wouldn't have chosen this book for myself so I was very glad that you lot 'made' me read it. Don't normally pick up anything that could have anything vaguely upsetting in it - just chose lighthearted, funny books normally!! (No staying power since having kids...)

Anyway, loved the book. Thought the characters were excellent - hated the vile doctor. Very impressed that the author can tell such a vivid story about a war that she obviously wasn't there for (ie I mostly expect that authors are drawing on their own experience).

Found the ending very unsatisfactory - lots of questions! Did they get home? Did they take any horses? Did her father ever forgive her? Did they get married? Was his health OK? etc etc etc. Would have liked a 'look ahead to the future' chapter at the end, but that's just me - I like tidy ends!

USAUKMum · 16/01/2007 15:53

This was also not a "normal" book for me -- as I don't tend to read history based novels. But I thought Gregson's writing was good. Though I thought that the plot was a bit patchy with some very convient happenings (would a Dr really take her in like that during that time). However her descriptions were very good, and I could really imagine it.

For me, the beginning was a bit drawn out. But I still enjoyed it. I will probably have a look at some of her other books.

Roskvawantingsomesunshine · 16/01/2007 17:47

I really enjoyed the first couple of chapters. I found the part about Catherine's mother's death really moving, and could almost feel the stifling loneliness she felt afterwards.

However, from then on Julia Gregson just asks us to suspend disbelief too much. OK, so Deio's brother is short sighted and pre-occupied and doesn't realise he's interviewing a girl, and none of the men on the drove catch on??? Or do they know really, which is why she gets a hotel room? In which case they were taking a huge risk, because Catherine's family could have had them charged with her abduction.

Deio would have been a Welsh speaker. I find it unlikely that he would strike up any kind of relationship with army officers: drovers weren't exactly high up the social ladder, and this is victorian England we're talking about. Equally unlikely that he would get a commission in the army - in those days an officer had to be a gentleman, although he could have enlisted as a private soldier. He is also surprisingly sentimental about his horses for a horse dealer - surely he would have arrived in Balaclava and sold the horses as quickly as possible for the best money he could get, because he knew that he would not be able to keep them in good condition?

Also, Julia Gregson obviously never read Black Beauty as a girl, or has never seen any nineteenth century hunting prints, otherwise she would have realised that almost all riding and carriage horses in those days had docked tails, making Deio's question about what happened to the horses' tails pointless. And if Cariad's foal was sired whilst she was running wild after the storm, it throws the whole timescale of the novel out - a horse pregnancy is 11 months.

On the plus side, I found the growing affection between Barnsie and Sam very moving, and much more believable. I think Catherine's love affair would have been more believable if Deio had been a gentleman rather than a drover. The crossing social boundaries bit really didn't work for me, even if it was just a convenient and unusual way of getting her to London.

Like pianist, I found the ending unsatisfactory, like are 2 people who are both AWOL from their respective posts really going to set up a cozy little home on the edge of a battlefield on enemy territory, with a couple of injured horses to rehabilitate?

Oops, it sounds like I'm being really nit-picky about this novel. I'm actually really disappointed with it, because the beginning was great, but the rest didn't live up to its promise for me. Somehow it seems to present itself in the wrong category: it is more Mills & Boon than historical novel. I found myself just wanting to slap Catherine and tell her to grow up! The only reason I bothered reading it to the end was because of this bookclub.

sophiewd · 16/01/2007 20:09

And I am really sorry but maybe I am feeling thick at the moment but where did the water horse come into it?

Also one more question how are we going about chossing the next book?

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Roskvawantingsomesunshine · 16/01/2007 21:04

The water horse is a mythical beast which is an allegory for facing up to one's fears, apparently.

What are you reading at the moment, sophie?

MissGolightly · 16/01/2007 21:30

Roskva I am very impressed with your knowledge of horse pregnancy! And I am relieved that you weren't totally sold on it either, I posted my comments and then suddenly worried that it was your favourite book of all time and I had slagged it off!

I too found myself wanting to slap Catherine - particularly at the beginning when her mother was dying and she hid outside the door. But in a way I didn't mind that, in fact I respected Gregson for having the guts to make her heroine imperfect and unlikeable. What got me was the slushy cliches and the contrived plotting. Only Shakespeare and Georgette Heyer can get away with girls running around the countryside dressed as boys!

Sheraz · 16/01/2007 21:35

Who is going to choose the next book? I have just bought Virginia Woolf 'Mrs dalloway'. But will hold off for the next one?

MissGolightly · 16/01/2007 22:00

Originally Sheraz's suggestion was to choose in order of people signing up for the bookclub. Which would be:
McDreamy
DarrellRivers
ChocolateRobin
Sniff
octobermum
USAUKMum
sophiewd
3mum
bizzi
thechristmassyone
oasis
whenevilgotstuckupthechimney
quanglewangle
dizzydo
kandi
mozhe
GruffalosChild
Katsma
kernowcat
MissGolightly
TALLULAHBELLE
SpicymulledSheraz
Liv321
StrangeTown
Kaloo20
snowytyphoonsmum
pianist
mrspoppins
ladyfish
CoozerP
LittleSarah
rooo28
hoolio

...any others? These are all the names on the original thread. Some are obviously Christmas names so please amend the list with your current name if you've changed it.

According to this it should be McDreamy choosing the next book, but I guess if she doesn't turn up on this thread within a few days then we should just skip to the next person on the list.

How does that strike everyone?

MissGolightly · 16/01/2007 22:20

Plus of course Roskva! Sorry Roskva, I didn't forget you, it was just as you had already chosen I didn't put you on the list of "still to choose"

Roskvawantingsomesunshine · 17/01/2007 10:26

A friend of mine breeds horses .

Actually, I feel a bit bad that I chose a book that I ended up not even liking myself!

IamBlossom · 17/01/2007 11:47

can I please join the bookclub? Wot's the next book, will order it when I hear...

Ta muchly.

Bloss

xx

PS. Someone on another thread thought my nickname was Ian Botham, har har har. Just thought I'd share that, thought it was funny.

x

3mum · 17/01/2007 12:17

I'm obviously the wimpy one! I could just about deal with the mother dying but the harrowing bits in the Crimea just went on and on and I found myself skipping over them just trying to get to a bit which moved the plot on.

Have to say I did not really enjoy this book after the first couple of chapters and I agree with those who thought the ending was unsatisfactory. I got the impression Julia Gregson thought OK Spring has come I can just drop them here. By then end I was so fed up with them I was happy to leave them there too.

Sorry to be critical. Will try harder with the next book.

McDreamy · 17/01/2007 12:25

Hello everyone sorry for my absence I am here and very much still want ot be part of this book club. Not quite finished the Water Horse but so nearly there. I am happy to choose the next book if that sits well with everyone else. I would suggest Fortunes Rock by Anita Shreve (Has anybody already read it?)

McDreamy · 17/01/2007 12:44

Wrong Anita Shreve book - sorry I wanted to put Sea Glass - I am so disorganised at the moment - so my suggestion (if we agree it's my turn to pick to pick) is SEA GLASS by Anita Shreve - thank you!

chocolatebirdy · 17/01/2007 12:48

Not read that one. Am zooming to finish the last book too!! (Must also mention that chocolaterobin was my xmas name and am now back to this.)

McDreamy · 17/01/2007 12:50

Have you read any of her other chocolate? I have just finishd Fortunes Rock which is why I didn't want to recommend it for this bookclub as I want to read another of hers.

pianist · 17/01/2007 16:03

Where are all the other people in this group? I thought there would be a bit more discussion about the last book before we went on to pick another. Was looking forward to reading lots of interesting critiques!

However, Sea Glass looks interesting so will make a start on that.

McDreamy · 17/01/2007 16:46

pianist I think the discussion is to come I've only gone ahead and recommended another book to give people a chance to get a copy from wherever - I didn't mean it to sound like The Sea Horse was a finished book.

In fact would it be a good idea for the next couple of people on the list to recommend their book too for those of us who do amazon orders? Just a thought as I am in Cyprus I can't nip into Waterstones or WHSmith! Also I am home in the UK in Feb for a couple of weeks so if I knew what the next couple were I could get copies of them then - would that be possible or do you not think it's a good idea? Having read my idea back it might come across as a bit selfish!!

USAUKMum · 17/01/2007 17:44

McD -- no it's a good idea, so some bulk ordering can be done and save on postage . I'm 5 down the list, but can I put my choice in anyway....Pomegrantate Soup by Marsha Mehran (if anyone above me was going to choose this I do have another choice)

Back to the Waterhorse, in thinking about the ending I find myself thinking , would Diego actually just go along with Catherine like that? Given his strong convinctions earlier. While he does seem to have suffered from post tramatic shock, in other actions he seems to have overcome this (the care of horses etc).

Also, it did seem to end rather suddenly. Sort of, I've run out of things to say and didn't seem to come to closure. Even one of those sort of open endings (e.g. Pride & Prejudice)

munroe · 17/01/2007 18:02

I couldn't put the Water Horse down, I became so absorbed it its world, in her journey, in the vile conditions for nurses in The Crimea .I found it powerful stuff and look foward to her next book.

DarrellRivers · 17/01/2007 18:27

Oh I am glad there have been some negative reviews as although I enjoyed the book on a superficial level, it was a book which mildly entertained me, on a holiday reading type of a level.
The love story irritated me, although I loved reading about the conditions in the Crimea and how badly planned things like provisions were. I did wonder if her friend who dies , the working class nurse with the children who was having an affair, was she having her affair with one of Miss Nightingale's ladyfriend's husbands.
The rape/not a rape irritated me, it felt wrong.
I also wanted to know more about what affect Miss Nightingale had on the hospital, I thought her main contribution to decreasing death rates was improved sanitation.She didn't seem to get much of a chance to improve anything.
I am second on the book choice list so will choose The Secret River by Kate GRenville.
Better get going on the next

MissGolightly · 17/01/2007 21:22

I'm glad the book has split the group - it makes it much more interesting.

What did you all think of the period setting? I was impressed with the amount of detail, but wasn't entirely convinced by the dialogue and general "feel" - I always felt that Catherine was ultimately a twenty-first century girl and she never felt real for me as a Victorian. Did anyone else think that?

(On a housekeeping note, I have started another thread for a rolling membership list and details of forthcoming books - link here . One question - when are we planning to do Sea Glass? I'll put a note in the thread to tell new members)

McDreamy · 18/01/2007 06:57

I wondered about picking a certain date in the month and that is always book review night.

The first/last day of the month springs to mind. What do you think? Not sure what to do about the next book though - 1st Feb or 1st March?

What does everyone think?

Have you seen the membership list? - I never thought it would take off like this

Roskvawantingsomesunshine · 18/01/2007 10:23

I agree, MissGolightly, Catherine was a 21st century girl. I think that sums up one of the problems I had with the novel: Julia Gregson was applying 21st century values to a 19th century setting. The love affair between a lady and a drover is another example of this. I don't know enough about military history, but I think the criticism of Lord Cardigan for his bad decision making might also be a 21st century thing - I rather suspect he was a hero in his day. Having said that, I have just re-read Tennyson's poem, The Charge of the Light Brigade here , and that hints at bad leadership

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