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HomeMeasurements · 09/03/2016 05:12

Oh my god this might be the best book I've ever read. Has anyone else read it?

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lorelei9 · 20/03/2016 13:31

Cote - I haven't read Station Eleven yet but if you agree High Rise is just regular fiction, then how is dystopia a sub genre of sci fi?

I'm so confused.

CoteDAzur · 20/03/2016 13:34

"As for "what do I think sci fi is" - are you saying any theoretical scenario counts as sci fi?"

Of course not. "Any theoretical scenario" counts as fiction.

I asked what you (and others) think SF is, because S11 is very obviously SF. It is the very definition of SF - "fiction about future developments and how they affect people & societies".

More and more, SF is being called Speculative Fiction rather than Science-Fiction. I wonder if that is because there is a negative feeling associated with the term Sci-fi. Many readers (and indeed - inexplicably - some authors like Ishiguro and Margaret Atwood) say that the books they have read/written about future dystopias are NOT SF. I get the feeling that is because they believe their 'brands' would be negatively affected by being associated with SF, which many people think is a juvenile and unworthy genre.

Margaret Atwood has gone so far as to say that her books are not SF because they make sense and are realistic, to which critics and readers alike HOWLED Grin Good SF is supposed to make sense and be realistic. Which is why we have been saying all along that S11 is not a good example of this genre.

CoteDAzur · 20/03/2016 13:42

I haven't seen the film High Rise and you haven't read the book so we might not be talking about the same thing here. Wikipedia says the film is SF but there is no such mention about the book.

IIRC the book is about a building in a normal city where people have started implementing their own version of order. That is not dystopian literature because it is a small group of people living in a society which is not a dystopia. (Again, apologies if I am misremembering the book)

It is comparable to Lord of the Flies imho - a fiction book about children stranded on an island while being evacuated during WW2. Their self-governing experiment ends in disaster. But it is not SF and it is not dystopian.

lorelei9 · 20/03/2016 13:45

Cote, I have read High Rise.

I haven't read Station Eleven. But from the description, if SE is dystopia and therefore related to sci-fi, then High Rise would be too.

to me, anything prefixed to "fiction" means that's the dominant theme - science, crime. Is the "science" bit applicable to Station Eleven?

CoteDAzur · 20/03/2016 13:52

SF stories don't need to be "sciencey". Quite a few have no science whatsoever, as they tell post-apocalyptic stories where what is left of society has regressed to pre-industrial days. Maybe that is also why it is increasingly called "Speculative Fiction" these days - to avoid that confusion.

It's not that "S11 is dystopia and therefore SF". It's that S11 talks about a future world where major changes have meant significant changes for human societies. That makes it SF. It is literally the broad definition of SF.

Personally, I wouldn't say S11 is much of a dystopia, even. Nothing terribly dystopian happens, really, except that they don't have modern comforts like air conditioning (about which they moan a lot in the book Hmm). Nobody seems to have much trouble meeting their basic needs and staying alive, miraculously, living how they like moping around all day, whining about lost comforts .

Dystopian fiction is a sub-genre of SF, that is a different matter. I said it because people were saying "It's dystopian, not SF" which makes as much sense as "It's a biography, not non-fiction".

TheUltimate · 20/03/2016 13:59

I must say, Station Eleven wasn't my favourite and I've read many dystopian, post apocalyptic novels. I try not to pick apart too deeply as there will be discrepancies in pretty much all of them but I very much enjoy them.

I have City of Mirrors on pre-order. The Passage is my all time favourite and what got me into the sub-genre of Sci-Fi. I recently read a trilogy, The Rising Sun which was more Sci-Fi than I normally go for but very much enjoyed (except the last book, it threw me completely with its over the top action and seemingly fast space travel).

I love others that have been mentioned - The Wool series, The Strain (though definitely agree, the TV series was dire!) and I really enjoyed The Girl with all the Gifts. Another one which title and author eludes me was quite similar to The Road - ah! The Reapers are the Angels. I think that is a series so I may follow up with those but I rather enjoyed it.

CoteDAzur · 20/03/2016 14:07

TheUltimate - I think you will really enjoy the Red Rising trilogy. Don't think about it, just get it. You can thank me later Grin

I had not heard of The Rising Sun so just looked it up in Amazon and there does not seem to be a book in the English language by that name. There are several books called Rising Sun but they don't look like SF. Can you tell me the author? I'd be interested to look it up.

I enjoyed The Passage and its sequel but have to say did not get along with The Strain (very badly written, I barely made it through the 1st book), The Girl With All The Gifts (too YA for me) and Wool (didn't feel plausible in any way).

NNalreadyinuse · 20/03/2016 15:36

What was wrong with 'The first fifteen lives of Harry August'? I really liked that book!

TheUltimate · 20/03/2016 16:37

Cote - that's me not concentrating! I meant Red Rising Grin Absolutely loved it but the last book was almost too much to keep up with. If you like those, there's another book you may be interested in (if you haven't read it already!). I'll look it up a moment as I've forgotten the title and author.

I agree The Strain wasn't greatly written but sometimes I don't mind that! For that reason, I do appreciate The Hunger Games Blush

TheUltimate · 20/03/2016 16:41

The Fifth Season by N K Jemisin. Love it!

CoteDAzur · 20/03/2016 16:56

This one?

Essun, masquerading as an ordinary schoolteacher in a quiet small town, comes home to find that her husband has brutally murdered their son and kidnapped their daughter. Mighty Sanze, the empire whose innovations have been civilization's bedrock for a thousand years, collapses as its greatest city is destroyed by a madman's vengeance. And worst of all, across the heartland of the world's sole continent, a great red rift has been been torn which spews ash enough to darken the sky for years. Or centuries. But this is the Stillness, a land long familiar with struggle, and where orogenes those who wield the power of the earth as a weapon are feared far more than the long cold night. Essun has remembered herself, and she will have her daughter back. She does not care if the world falls apart around her. Essun will break it herself, if she must, to save her daughter.

Thank you for the recommendation but this is fantasy and I don't like this sort of fantasy much. Same with Lord Of The Rings etc.

CoteDAzur · 20/03/2016 16:57

I haven't read #3 in Red Rising trilogy (refuse to pay that much for a Kindle book) but I'm looking forward to reading it.

CoteDAzur · 20/03/2016 16:59

I have several other similar SF recommendations (not very sciencey, action-packed etc):

Lexicon by Max Barry
Brilliance trilogy by Marcus Sakey
Ready Player One by Ernest Cline

Quogwinkle · 20/03/2016 18:03

Just chipping in to say that The Passage by Justin Cronin is currently 99p on kindle.

TheUltimate · 20/03/2016 20:05

Yeah thats the one. I must admit, I don't really know the difference between fantasy and sci-fi I just read books I like the look of Grin I once read Anne McCafferys book The Ship who Sang but I couldn't tell you if it was sci-fi or fantasy.

I'll look into your recommendations, I have a while to wait for my Justin Cronin book.

heyimonlyhuman · 21/03/2016 17:23

I don't usually like Sci Fi books but I loved Station Eleven.

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