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Sarah Waters, The Paying Guests SPOILERS!!

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VerucaInTheNutRoom · 09/10/2014 12:43

I've just got to the part where Leonard's body has been discovered and I've stalled. The writing is wonderful but I just can't seem to care about the two main characters and I'm finding it a bit tedious. Is it worth continuing ?

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paddyplaistow · 15/08/2015 05:01

I wonder if the reason it made tedious reading for some is because SW wanted to convey the banality, the endless nerve shredding hours of every day when the women were in fear of discovery of being complicit in the deaths of 2 innocent people. So the narrative slowed down.
Maybe ?

tobee · 16/08/2015 13:07

I thought that detail at the end was great, really effective. Usually, narratives just go rushing straight through that bit.

Rae1000 · 09/09/2015 13:28

Loved this book! It has inspired me to seek out other Sarah Waters books at the library

lorelei9 · 29/09/2015 09:49

I'm on about p300 of this.

Normally I love love love Waters, but while this is beautifully written and I do at least know that something will happen from this thread...I have so many books in the TBR pile, I'm wondering if I should carry on - or can someone tell me how far ahead to skip?

At this point, Leonard's been beaten up - which I'm presuming points to someone being after him - and Frances and Lilian are in love. But while it's really beautiful to read, I'm thinking that a lot of the pages of writing about the affair and the neighbours and whatnot are ultimately going to have no relevance to the story.

If it's more of the same, I was wondering if someone can tell me how far to fast forward to Leonard's demise (which I am hoping will be an interesting bit?)

and are all those neighbours and other people relevant in the end? I get the feeling they won't be.

Thanks!

hooliodancer · 30/09/2015 12:00

I thought this book was amazing, so would advise you to carry on with it. It becomes a courtroom drama if that helps! Everyone ends up having some relevance to the story.

It stayed with me for a long time after I finished it, I think because of the detail of their lives and thoughts, so I don't think you should skip!

lorelei9 · 30/09/2015 20:48

Thanks hoolio
It got good again after I posted...will probably finish it tonight.

BirdyArms · 30/09/2015 21:51

I'm with the disappointed crowd. I usually love Sarah Waters but this book seemed like it was written by a different author. Found it a bit boring and predictable, I could have guessed the whole plot from page 10. But some of her other books eg Fingersmith have left me gasping at twists to the plot. It was an OK book, but that's all.

lorelei9 · 01/10/2015 10:05

Well I've finished it now

I was lucky - I didn't fall over myself to read it as soon as it came out. I absolutely loved The Little Stranger, Affinity and Tipping the Velvet and with those first two, it's not just amazing writing but what actually happens that make them such great novels.

This one - it was beautifully written but nowhere near the same league as those others. (I didn't like The Night Watch btw - another novel where I felt nothing happened). I can't really think of any novels where I feel nothing has happened and the author got away with it purely on the basis of beautiful writing. This is what I feel she's tried with this but I'm not sure. Yes, there is a court case, but the late introduction of the boy etc means that it's hard to care about him - is that deliberate, so we hold our breath hoping they will get away with it? I didn't think that, because my feeling was they wouldn't step up even if he hanged.

Also I didn't feel any of the characters came to life as much as in other books. The ones I was saying were irrelevant - I still feel they are? I admit I skim read some of the end but how are Lilian's deeply irritating family members relevant? Bit confused.

It is really beautifully written but I feel as if it needed a good editor - it could have been made to be much better with that plot but the right parts weren't expanded and so on.

hooliodancer · 01/10/2015 11:23

It's interesting what people find compelling in books! I loved The Night Watch and this one, I wasn't crazy about the others!

I think the families are relevant because it juxtoposes the class thing, and how they are tied to their class, and also to the conventions of their class. Same with the boy, he was someone from the underclass really. Did they think his life was worth the same as theirs? Reading it, do we? Are we rooting for them so much we forget he is a person too? And then the neighbour who makes such an sacrifice to give the boy an alibi. His sacrifice is for the women too,but would they have done the same for him?

I just loved the whole thing!

lorelei9 · 01/10/2015 12:41

hoolio, interesting perspective

I didn't think of class as being relevant at all - more just that the boy was introduced too late and I didn't know enough about him to feel really engaged in how things turned out.

I also didn't pick up any "is his life worth the same" at all - I just thought that ultimately they would probably let him hang because he was violent in other ways.

In terms of the families, I don't see class as relevant there either because all of them were equally annoying - I suppose I noticed Lilian's family more because they came round to the house, plus they had that sense of chaos of tons of little kids which I hate even in books.

I didn't root for Lilian and Frances not to be found out at all so clearly a totally different view than yours. I would have thought it much more interesting if they were found out or if there was a high risk of it, but I thought it pretty obvious that the boy would get off - no evidence at all - and therefore they would just carry on.

I must be honest, by the time I got to the neighbour and his sacrifice I just wanted it to finish but nothing jumped out at me about him that made me care either.

I thought the depiction of the newspaper vultures was excellent though. In fact the book could have been a lot better with the same story but some restructuring. I also don't think we knew enough about Leonard to care.

When I compare this to the characters in her other novels, I feel as if she hasn't given them enough depth.

hollyisalovelyname · 23/10/2015 19:34

I think it's so boring. Duuulll. And the husband hasn't been killed yet. I'm really thinking of giving up and I hate giving up on a book

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