Convince me to carry on with Ken Follett's Pillars Of The Earth.

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So many people rave about it and I started it with gleeful anticipation. It is so badly written. Does the story distract from the clunky prose at any point? I'm about 100 pages in. 800 or so to go.

Game Of Thrones is quite good but the tv show is atrocious. I still prefer Wheel Of Time but you can file that under the 'needs editing' header too.

Ah, I have this and am also struggling to get into it. Like all sorts of books I do including well written chick lit but I just can't get interested in the characters.

My friend raves about it though so I much try harder. Am currently pretty engrossed in the Game of Thrones series though so it will have to wait another while

Actually I lied, I read no crime. A thriller yes, (think Frederick Forsyth and Thomas Clancy), crime no. I just find them boring. And I hate the gorey detail. Even in GoT I skim those bits!

I really enjoyed Pillars of the Earth and went into it not having any expectations. I had actually never heard about the rave reviews and picked it up in a hotel library.

I really didn't like Wolf Hall though which others have mentioned. It's the only book I can recall giving up on completely.

"Are they women behaving as men by any chance?"

What a weird thing to say. How do men behave then? Going out and doing interesting stuff while the simpering women sit at home and sew samplers?

Guess I must be guilty of behaving like a man then.

Plenty of strong female characters in fiction. Hester Prynne, Scarlett O'Hara, Becky Sharp ... just off the top of my head.

Yes, I found Pillars of the Earth was a bit long so I found myself skim reading after a while. I think his style might be euphemistically called 'populist' - hit a wide enough audience and it'll stick with someone.

The story and historical period are what interested me, which is why I read The Return by Victoria Hislop. Again, much skim reading, dull female characters and very badly written. Not sure how something this bad gets printed.

Margret Atwood does much better female characters and has written from various historical periods.

The Name of the Rose?
An oldie but goodie IMO.

Brienne in GoT is a female character that does all sorts of 'manly' stuff - as is Arya (I want Arya to be my daughter )

I want to be Arya. Failing that I'm pinning my hopes on DD having some of that spirit!

Arya was on my name list for DC3

I liked Pillars of the Earth, but only as a bit of mindless trash reading. Read the sequel too, it was easy reading on the train and pacy enough, but I did get annoyed with the clunky writing and anachronisms - I mean, someone in Medieval times describing someone as 'their girlfriend'?

I haven't read GoT at all yet, love the television series though. I'm keeping the books for when the series is finished. If the author doesn't conk before he finishes it.

I gave up on Wheel of Time after book five and still feel like slapping myself for giving it that long. Turgid, repetitive drivel and a story tat could be told in a total of three boks max.

Hoonose actually I truly imagine that for you to say women (in books) bore you, you must have some sort of issue thing going on.

What do you enjoy about fiction? Women struggle, just like men, in novels. They prosper, fail, love, kill, hate, explore, fight, grow, learn, nurture, are jealous, they discover, they invent, know, change, they have feelings, they make mistakes, they're spoiled by power, they lose everything, redeem themselves, they are wicked and kind and funny. Like in real life!

I found PotE absolute mindless trash. Like it was written by a 12yr old with rape and violence thrown in to show how grown up he was . The bits that attempted to be written from the main woman's POV particularly grated on my brain. Rubbish rubbish rubbish.

Nothing to do with male orientated, I like male orientated stuff.

My friend described PotE as a cross between a cathedral building manual and soft porn. Which I think is a fairly good summary

yer, soft, rubbish, implausible porn!