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SalveRibena · 06/10/2013 18:03

I have been reading crap on my Kindle for too long and now want to go back to reading Proper Books. Past favourites include Atonement, Bring Up The Bodies, The Poisonwood Bible, The Sea and The Line of Beauty.

Any advice?

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AlisonClare · 10/10/2013 13:19

Of Human Bondage - Somerset Maugham
Memory of Love - Aminatta Forna
Star of the Sea - Joseph O Connor

spicynaknik · 10/10/2013 13:21

Marilynne Robinson - Gilead, Housekeeping are stunning.

A.S Byatt - Still Life is my favourite, but Possession is quite gripping too. In latter years she has got a bit pompous and is often badly in need of a good editor imho.

Doris Lessing - Children of Violence series and Canopus in Argos: Archives series.

CoteDAzur · 10/10/2013 14:17

dapple - I want to recommend to you Ready Player One by Ernest Cline. It is what Reamde wants to be. Definitely not literature, but a great read along Snow Crash lines of virtual reality, computer games, etc. Really gripping, interesting book.

Re Iain Banks - I read about 8 of his books, thinking they are kind of OK although not genius, but then gave up. Frankly, I just couldn't take anymore that mediocre dumb rubbish about humans and robots happily living together etc. If I'm going to read space opera, I'd rather read Asimov & Arthur C Clarke. Now that there is so much more intelligent sci-fi / speculative fiction being written in the last 20 years or so, superficial stuff like Banks' Culture books are imho not a great use of the little time I have for reading. (Sorry Smile)

Re brainhurty bits of Anathem - Trust me, when you get there you will know! It took my entire concentration to follow the plot at one point, of what they were talking about and where they were going with it. I have no idea how Stephenson wrote that book, but I do understand why he had to follow it with (relatively) light fluff like Reamde.

SinisterSal · 10/10/2013 14:42

I put down Quicksilver half way through. The overuse of that irritating gimmick 'phant'sy' made me do it. Once I'm over it I'll pick it up again. It was very interesting and well researched but a little too much emphasis on getting that across to the detriment of the flow and 'grippiness' of the book.

Louise1956 · 10/10/2013 20:20

White Teeth by Zadie Smith is very good, great characters and very amusing.

I never get tired of Barbara Pym, Excellent Women is my favourite, and Jane and Prudence and A Glass of Blessings are great too.

pippibluestocking · 10/10/2013 20:26

Also recommend The Strangers Child by Alan Hollingshurst - beautifully written

dappledawn · 11/10/2013 11:33

Hi there fellow NS-readers - hi to SinisterSal, yes I do know what you mean about the highly irritating use of 'phant'sy' word in Quicksilver (and a few other similar examples - like, WTF is a 'glacis'??). I think NS has tried here to so oversteep himself in the history, culture, mindset and language of the era that he has misjudged this, and in the language aspect, gone a bit too far. He has not adapted the archaic language absolutely consistently, so such gimmicks stand out much more awkwardly as a consequence (tbh, had he done so, it could well have made the novel quite unreadable). I am still ploughing on with it when I get a chance to read - it's so illuminating to get his take on the London of the Great Plague, Great Fire, etc and the gruesome ways they did experiments on live animals to satisfy their thirst for new knowledge.

Cote thank you so much for the book recommendation - I will certainly be looking out for the Ernest Cline book; it's so good to be able to get such feedback from readers who seem to have similar tastes!

In support of Iain M Banks, I personally do enjoy his big ideas of The Culture (the benevolent quasi-deity superculture who subtly intervene at times into less advanced civilisations - a kind of UN of the universe! -) because I think that's rather inspired; his novella 'State of the Art' I found particularly poignant; it's one of my all-time favourites. I also found the ideas that he played with recently in 'The Hydrogen Sonata' (re: advanced civilisations eventually subliming themselves, and the discovery of the experimental lies regarding their religion/holy book that had been originally told) really intriguing. (His own atheism rather comes through as the underlying premise there, IMO). I find Asimov and AC Clarke a bit outmoded now - though good.

Back to Neal Stephenson: I'm also really looking fwd to getting into Anathem now. If only I had more time/energy to READ! (and little enough housework gets done these days, as it is).

notagiraffe · 11/10/2013 19:32

Hmm Cote, we still have to agree to differ. I have a first degree from Oxbridge and a PhD both in Eng Lit, and teach at MA level, so I do know something about what makes good fiction. Kite Runner does imo. I could argue why but I'm off duty, so am happy to leave it at I loved it and therefore recommend it.

I agree 1000SS is far less impressive but it's not without literary merit. It's quite tiresome when people wheel out the 'full of factual errors' stuff to downgrade a novel. It's fiction. It doesn't have to be accurate in any way, factually. It just has to have its own integrity as a fictional world and a coherent narrative.

letsgotostonehenge · 11/10/2013 19:33

E=MC squared?!

AnonymousNameChange · 11/10/2013 19:41

I adored Engleby by Sebastian Faulks.

Also Cold Mountain by Charles Frazer.

CoteDAzur · 11/10/2013 19:58

notagiraffe - I haven't read nor ever commented on Kite Runner, so can't see why you think you are disagreeing with me about it. Much less why you are talking about which university you went to.

As for 1000SS and other such books whose widespread errors make it clear that their authors know pathetically little about the subject they have chosen to write about: "Fiction" refers to the plot, not inaccuracy of the references. I'm surprised that this was not mentioned in your English lit classes Wink

If you were reading a book about the Inquisition where Christians follow the teachings of Mohammad, you would presumably think that the author is a moron. You would not say "It's fiction so who cares if he was wrong about something so basic and fundamental to his subject". Similarly, for those of us who know a bit about Islam, the book doesn't work because it is so shockingly wrong about quite a few basic and fundamental issues that the author loses all credibility.

Other than that, if you really believe 1000SS had such literary merit, I'd be interested to hear about it. Was it the characterisation you found so strong? Was it the cleverness and originality of the plot that led you to so respect the author? Was it the repetitious, limited vocabulary? Please share - in your professional opinion, what makes 1000SS a literary success?

HomicidalPsychoJungleCat · 11/10/2013 20:05

The collector by John Fowles.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 11/10/2013 20:09

The characterisation in 1000 SS was v poor tbh: cardboard cutout characters and caricatures. The Kite Runner has more integrity imho, whereas as I suspect that 'Suns' was rushed out to please the publisher who was braying for the 'next Kite Runner.'

Bumpsadaisie · 11/10/2013 20:20

Have you read Brideshead Revisited? Very beautifully written.

somewherewest · 11/10/2013 20:27

I know very little about Afghanistan and wouldn't call it great literature, but for some reason A Thousand Splendid Suns really stuck with me. There was something about the story and character of Mariam (the older wife) that has stuck in my mind ever since and some parts (the description of Mariam and Rasheed's wedding) are beautifully written. Its at its best when describing the little details of Mariam's married life, not so much with the Laila plotline.

gastrognome · 11/10/2013 20:28

The God of Small Things is one of the most beautifully written books I have ever read. It's incredibly evocative and you can almost taste the colours leaping off the page. Just lovely.

somewherewest · 11/10/2013 20:32

I keep remembering things! If you enjoy short stories James Joyce's Dubliners has some fantastic ones. A Painful Case is my favourite, but the end of The Dead is gorgeous.

Longdistance · 11/10/2013 20:41

The Door by Magda Szabo.

Recommended thus book for our book club. Everyone loved it.

There is also a film, that has Helen Mirren as the main character.

Robbabank · 11/10/2013 20:46

Another vote for Nobel prize winner Alice Monro. Also for 'Gilead' and 'Home' (the sort of sequel) by Marilynne Robinson. Also Wila Cather mentioned up thread I think. Also Jeffrey Eugenides and Johnathan Franzen's epic and excellent 'The Corrections'. That's the Canadians/ Americans sorted (flippant).
For some truly classic 'English' writing, start with the early novels of Elizabeth Jane Howard (ex-wife of Kingsley Amis, but a far better writer IMHO.) And once you've fallen in love with her books, her autobiography is fascinating.
Have just read 2 Dorothy Whipples back to back. Pre WW1 fiction, but gripping and touching, and so beautifully written. Persephone (publishers) have other great forgotten or out of print gems on their list and if you ask to be on their mailing list, their brochure and biennial magazine are very handsome and a pleasure to receive. (Would also love to attend some of their events, if I was in London.)
'Slightly Foxed' is a lovely journal which is written by readers for readers and I always pickup new ideas for reading from it.
foxedquarterly.com/
Grants is also great for new fiction and new writers.

Robbabank · 11/10/2013 20:52

Sorry that should be GRANTA (not Grants). Usually available in larger WhSmiths etc.

AnonymousNameChange · 11/10/2013 20:55

I liked 1000SS Grin Cote, out of curiosity, what were some of the errors?

womma · 11/10/2013 21:03

I'd recommend Anne Tyler, she's a wonderful writer. The first book I read was The Starter Marriage, it's a brilliant book. Also Digging to America, Breathing Lessons, The Accidental Tourist, Ladder of Years and Morgan's Passing.

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showmethemoneyhoney · 11/10/2013 21:06

Got to agree with Robbabank - Persephone books have some real forgotten gems that are well worth a read. I've recently read Saplings by Noel Streatfeild and Greenery Street by Denis Mackail. Added bonus is that they all look beautiful on your bookshelf!

www.persephonebooks.co.uk

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