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Has anyone had counselling for over eating / binge eating and have any advice?

54 replies

Mull · 18/04/2026 09:21

Hi, I really think I need some counselling around my eating as the ‘feast / famine’ mentality I have had my entire adult life is getting ridiculous. I had cancer treatment 18mths ago, and was diagnosed as Type 2 diabetes at the same time, and yet STILL I cannot sort my eating. I lost a lot of weight as part of my treatment but then continued to implement healthier choices etc. I was feeling in a good place and thought I’d ‘cracked it’. However these have slowly gone backwards as ‘normal’ life has resumed and I feel so shit about it. I need to delve deeper into why I’m doing this to myself, why my health is not more important to me, what more needs to happen to me before I sort myself out, the guilt / shame around it all.

Has anyone had any counselling / therapy around this subject and could recommend how to find a counsellor / what questions to ask? I’m willing to put some money into this as I was also considering WLI which are expensive but I really don’t think they will help with my longer term understanding / health and maintaining a healthy weight.

OP posts:
IDontHateRainbows · 19/04/2026 13:30

Passingthrough123 · 19/04/2026 11:07

Please stop peddling WLI as a solution to OP. There's a reason prescribers won't supply to anyone with an ED.

Well what do you say to the fact that it completely cured my ED, almost overnight? People like you are the reason loads of ED sufferers out there are not getting the treatment they need and deserve and which could improve the quality of their life so why don't YOU stop peddling what you are saying.

Going on WLI has completely changed my life and freed me from the tyranny of having an ED and I'm not the only one by far.

IDontHateRainbows · 19/04/2026 13:35

PuzzledObserver · 19/04/2026 12:43

Another thought…. there are various ways of understanding what is going on with binge eating….. and I have come across a definite conflict between the two main ones, which are the ED perspective and the addiction model.

My simplistic grasp of ED’s generally is that anorexia nervosa was recognised first, then bulimia, and BED later. And that the early work on AN has influenced the treatment of both bulimia and BED.

In bulimia, bingeing is seen as a response to extreme dieting - a perfectly natural, physiological response to periods of food restriction. A caveman who had been through a period of food scarcity would initially eat a lot, rapidly, and regain some of the lost weight, but then as their weight normalised, the drive to eat would abate, and their intake would settle down. But the dieter is dismayed by the regain and resolves to redouble their efforts - another period of scarcity, as far as the body is concerned. The binge/restrict cycle starts with dieting - if they did not diet, they would not binge.

From this perspective, it is important to avoid dieting, including the avoidance of specific foods. Therapy encourages sufferers to reintroduce foods they may have banned, and to eat all things in moderation. And you can see why, for anorexics who often have extremely limited diets, leading to nutritional deficiencies as well as low weight, that’s a good and necessary thing.

The other perspective is the addiction model. Let’s take sugar as an example…. if you are addicted to sugar, then you really need to eliminate it from your diet completely. Not to do so is to set yourself up to fail. In the case of addiction to alcohol, or narcotics, this is generally accepted. If you can’t moderate you have to abstain. So if the substance you are addicted to is sugar, then “all foods in moderation” is a disaster.

It seems to me that a key question for binge eaters to ask themselves is which came first: the bingeing, or the food deprivation? Whether that was dieting, or perhaps food scarcity due to childhood poverty or neglect. If the dieting came first, with a side dish of societal pressure to be thin, then maybe the ED perspective is the right one for that individual. But if you were bingeing long before you ever dieted (as I was) then that suggests that there is addiction at play.

And of course, wherever you start, you can then acquire the other “problem” as well. You can end up with both addiction, and bingeing as a physiological response to food scarcity.

From both perspectives, giving up dieting is a crucial first step. But what comes next? If you’re not addicted to any foodstuff, then you should be able to eat 3 meals a day plus one or two snacks if desired, including any and every food - and the absence of food deprivation should make the urge to binge go away. Though if you are overweight (or think you are) and don’t lose much weight doing this, then many will struggle to stay the course, because overemphasis on shape and weight is a key feature of disordered eating.

But if you are an addict, then the regular inclusion of your trigger foods is going to maintain the urge to binge.

And just to make things more complicated, there is also the whole “food as comfort” piece, which most humans do as a matter of course - and is not problematic until taken to excess.

That's interesting but I think there is more to it than that. People who have been deprived food due to an event perhaps in wars or survival situations, generally will binge when food is available again, but then it stops when they have regained lost weight and gone back to 'normal'. But food addicts get into a cycle of overeat/gain weight/diet/binge and I think the addiction comes first, just a hunch.

likelysuspect · 19/04/2026 13:38

IDontHateRainbows · 19/04/2026 13:30

Well what do you say to the fact that it completely cured my ED, almost overnight? People like you are the reason loads of ED sufferers out there are not getting the treatment they need and deserve and which could improve the quality of their life so why don't YOU stop peddling what you are saying.

Going on WLI has completely changed my life and freed me from the tyranny of having an ED and I'm not the only one by far.

Edited

Absolutely this

I think that poster has been on other threads trying to dissuade people from getting the help they need. People with ED or disordered eating or excess eating spend decades sometimes 'trying to get to the root of the problem', navel gazing (no pun intended), hand wringing, trying to do it some supposed 'right way'

Meanwhile that thick yellow fat continues to build up around organs, joints are at straining point, self esteem goes through the floor, heart is pushed to the limit and nothing changes.

The root of the problem is eating too much, often thats all there is too it and we all (most of us) just need help to stop doing that. Use therapy by all means alongside the medical support but dont dissuade people from proven, evidenced intervention.

PuzzledObserver · 19/04/2026 13:44

likelysuspect · 19/04/2026 09:04

Well you would stay on them at a low dose

You'll be there forever with conselling/therapy rather than getting to the root of the problem which is simply mechanical (as my GP said to me and he was right), you eat too much, you need a physical thing to stop you eating too much.

Maybe YOUR problem is simply mechanical, but that isn’t true for everyone. If it were, then people who have weight loss surgery would not regain their lost weight, but a significant proportion do.

IDontHateRainbows · 19/04/2026 13:47

Funny how all my life I had a problem with emotional eating and stuffing down my feelings that counselling could never solve, but the minute I tried WLI that emotional eating went away so did I suddenly stop feeling sad/angry/whatever or did something chemical/hormonal in my brain break the chain, and enable me to feel those feelings but not turn to food as a result? Well I still feel those feelings, so I guess the latter.

I spent a lifetime of feeling like a greedy, worthless pig who couldn't put the brakes on with food and now I see that I was just deficient in a hormone (GLP-1) that the naturally skinny seem to have in abundance, maybe ther was nothing (apart from being deficient in a hormone) wrong with me after all.

Passingthrough123 · 19/04/2026 13:49

IDontHateRainbows · 19/04/2026 13:30

Well what do you say to the fact that it completely cured my ED, almost overnight? People like you are the reason loads of ED sufferers out there are not getting the treatment they need and deserve and which could improve the quality of their life so why don't YOU stop peddling what you are saying.

Going on WLI has completely changed my life and freed me from the tyranny of having an ED and I'm not the only one by far.

Edited

People like me? You mean someone with an ED who knows they won't get prescribed WLI unless they lie on the form and tick the 'no' box to the question 'have you ever suffered from or are suffering from an ED?'.

They don't ask that for a laugh – the reason they won't prescribe WLI to people with ED past or present is because they are very aware that being on WLI can trigger ED behaviour. It is wholly irresponsible to advise OP when she is reaching out for help that she too should lie on the form – because that's what she'd have to do – to take a drug that might ultimately make her ED so much worse.

Passingthrough123 · 19/04/2026 13:51

likelysuspect · 19/04/2026 13:38

Absolutely this

I think that poster has been on other threads trying to dissuade people from getting the help they need. People with ED or disordered eating or excess eating spend decades sometimes 'trying to get to the root of the problem', navel gazing (no pun intended), hand wringing, trying to do it some supposed 'right way'

Meanwhile that thick yellow fat continues to build up around organs, joints are at straining point, self esteem goes through the floor, heart is pushed to the limit and nothing changes.

The root of the problem is eating too much, often thats all there is too it and we all (most of us) just need help to stop doing that. Use therapy by all means alongside the medical support but dont dissuade people from proven, evidenced intervention.

I'm not going to apologise for warning people with ED of the risk of lying to get their hands on WLI. There's a reason the prescribers ask the question!

And to dismiss BED as just a case of eating too much is astonishing. You clearly know nothing about the disorder.

Mull · 19/04/2026 14:01

@PuzzledObserver I really, really want to be an ‘everything in moderation’ person as I truly believe that is the best way to eat, live etc. BUT I don’t think I can do that with sugar so I guess the ‘addict’ model is more relevant to me. A bit of sugar and everything spirals (downwards) and nothing good can come of it. I’ve given myself Type 2 diabetes for goodness sake, yet I’m still eating it.

Im going to do a lot more reading, and therapy research, but I’m also going to try to cut out sugar yet again. I’m not dieting - I can eat anything else I like except sugar. I’m also not going to weigh myself - this is not about a number on the scales, this is about health and feeling better (physically and mentally).

OP posts:
Mull · 19/04/2026 14:06

@IDontHateRainbows I’m grateful for your input and I’m absolutely not against the use of WLI but I’m just not sure if it would work long term for me.

I have a family member who had a gastric sleeve op about 6yrs ago, lost a lot of weight but then put it back on (still couldn’t eat large meals but was able to snack on too much choc etc). She has then lost the weight again in the last 18mths using WLI and is now trying to maintain. I hope with every fibre in my being that she can maintain but the evidence would suggest otherwise. That’s why I feel I need to look deeper at WHY I’m doing this to myself, I really can’t see it being ‘just’ mechanical for me.

OP posts:
PuzzledObserver · 19/04/2026 14:12

IDontHateRainbows · 19/04/2026 13:35

That's interesting but I think there is more to it than that. People who have been deprived food due to an event perhaps in wars or survival situations, generally will binge when food is available again, but then it stops when they have regained lost weight and gone back to 'normal'. But food addicts get into a cycle of overeat/gain weight/diet/binge and I think the addiction comes first, just a hunch.

Maybe I didn’t convey this well…. I think for SOME people the addiction comes first, and for others the dieting induces binge eating, which the person would never have done if they hadn’t dieted. Some people binge first and diet later. Some diet first and binge later.

That’s not a complete picture either - @IDontHateRainbows is adamant that WLI cured her binge eating overnight, which years of therapy did not do. A naturally low level of GLP-1 could be another factor. After all, eating behaviour, or at least, eating urges, are controlled by our hormones.

I reckon that these factors, and probably others, will be at work to different degrees in different people. Hence there will be no one size fits all treatment, we each need the treatment which best fits our particular combination of factors.

PuzzledObserver · 19/04/2026 14:27

Mull · 19/04/2026 14:01

@PuzzledObserver I really, really want to be an ‘everything in moderation’ person as I truly believe that is the best way to eat, live etc. BUT I don’t think I can do that with sugar so I guess the ‘addict’ model is more relevant to me. A bit of sugar and everything spirals (downwards) and nothing good can come of it. I’ve given myself Type 2 diabetes for goodness sake, yet I’m still eating it.

Im going to do a lot more reading, and therapy research, but I’m also going to try to cut out sugar yet again. I’m not dieting - I can eat anything else I like except sugar. I’m also not going to weigh myself - this is not about a number on the scales, this is about health and feeling better (physically and mentally).

I want to be an everything in moderation person as well. I’ve tried really, really hard. But my intake always escalates.

I’m not completely sugar-free, I can cope with a couple of squares of 85% dark chocolate containing less than 3g of sugars (including the naturally occurring ones). But I can guarantee that were I to start on milk chocolate, I would just keep going.

I fought it and fought it…. but my life is calmer and easier without sugar, crisps, peanut butter and similar salty snack foods. When I don’t eat them, I can eat two moderate but satisfying meals per day, no snacks, no binges. My weight is stable with a slight downward trend. For the first time in my adult life, I have lost a significant amount of weight and NOT piled much or all of it back on.

I also have the OA program for support, I think I mentioned that. I have shifted my focus from weight to abstaining from compulsive eating. It’s difficult at times, because I care about my weight. Of course I do. But focussing on my weight doesn’t translate into stopping my compulsive eating, whereas focussing on my compulsive eating and the solution to that DOES result in not regaining lost weight, and gradually losing more.

PS I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 28 years ago and was on medication from 2 years after that. I also consumed vast quantities of sugar, despite knowing how harmful it was. I just couldn’t stop myself. This is part of the definition of addiction - continued use despite acknowledged harm.

I’m not on medication any more and my last HbA1C was in the prediabetic range.

likelysuspect · 19/04/2026 14:31

PuzzledObserver · 19/04/2026 13:44

Maybe YOUR problem is simply mechanical, but that isn’t true for everyone. If it were, then people who have weight loss surgery would not regain their lost weight, but a significant proportion do.

I think you have to understand the stats for that to give an opinion

I have had WLS

I got down to a weight that I wasnt planning to, it just kept falling off. After some time at that weight it increased by 7-10lbs (depending on when I weigh myself) and there it has stayed

So I am in the category of 'regain'. I make up the stats of people that had regained weight

Its just the body adjusting for most.

PuzzledObserver · 19/04/2026 14:33

likelysuspect · 19/04/2026 14:31

I think you have to understand the stats for that to give an opinion

I have had WLS

I got down to a weight that I wasnt planning to, it just kept falling off. After some time at that weight it increased by 7-10lbs (depending on when I weigh myself) and there it has stayed

So I am in the category of 'regain'. I make up the stats of people that had regained weight

Its just the body adjusting for most.

I don’t have the stats to hand, but my recollection is that a significant proportion of WLS patients have a regain which is much more than the body readjusting itself.

Mull · 19/04/2026 14:40

@PuzzledObserver so much of your post resonates DEEPLY:

“I have shifted my focus from weight to abstaining from compulsive eating” - I think this may be the key for me. I need to get the sugar addiction under control and then the weight loss is likely to come (as said before, I’d struggle to overeat just on savoury) but that isn’t the goal, stopping the compulsive eating / addictive behaviour / abusing my body is.

“I also consumed vast quantities of sugar, despite knowing how harmful it was. I just couldn’t stop myself. This is part of the definition of addiction - continued use despite acknowledged harm.” - YES. I think I am reasonably intelligent and yet I am deliberately making myself ill by continuing to eat sugar at increasing massive quantities. This is where a lot of the shame / low self worth kicks in. That would be one of my questions in therapy, why am I doing this to myself, but maybe the answer is as simple as addiction and that’s what I have to work on?

OP posts:
CarterBeatsTheDevil · 19/04/2026 14:40

RipleyGreen · 19/04/2026 09:16

I am someone who’s had decades of therapy (and indeed am a qualified counsellor) and a binge eater and I cannot better the advice @PuzzledObserver has given. It’s a tough hand to have been dealt. I’m from a long line of addicts and was smug for the longest time for avoiding alcohol and drugs, but it’ll out eventually. Good luck to you,

Not to hijack OP's thread but this is a very neat summary of all my issues - thank you for this.

PuzzledObserver · 19/04/2026 14:41

Statistics like this, for example. Regaining 15-20% of the original loss in people who heavy enough to have WLS is more than the body readjusting itself.

Has anyone had counselling for over eating / binge eating and have any advice?
Passingthrough123 · 19/04/2026 14:44

PuzzledObserver · 19/04/2026 14:41

Statistics like this, for example. Regaining 15-20% of the original loss in people who heavy enough to have WLS is more than the body readjusting itself.

The last key takeaway nails it IMO.

IDontHateRainbows · 19/04/2026 15:19

Mull · 19/04/2026 14:06

@IDontHateRainbows I’m grateful for your input and I’m absolutely not against the use of WLI but I’m just not sure if it would work long term for me.

I have a family member who had a gastric sleeve op about 6yrs ago, lost a lot of weight but then put it back on (still couldn’t eat large meals but was able to snack on too much choc etc). She has then lost the weight again in the last 18mths using WLI and is now trying to maintain. I hope with every fibre in my being that she can maintain but the evidence would suggest otherwise. That’s why I feel I need to look deeper at WHY I’m doing this to myself, I really can’t see it being ‘just’ mechanical for me.

I fully accept I can never come off them, but I don't pay for them as prescribed for T2D.

Hope you find something that works

IDontHateRainbows · 19/04/2026 15:21

Passingthrough123 · 19/04/2026 13:49

People like me? You mean someone with an ED who knows they won't get prescribed WLI unless they lie on the form and tick the 'no' box to the question 'have you ever suffered from or are suffering from an ED?'.

They don't ask that for a laugh – the reason they won't prescribe WLI to people with ED past or present is because they are very aware that being on WLI can trigger ED behaviour. It is wholly irresponsible to advise OP when she is reaching out for help that she too should lie on the form – because that's what she'd have to do – to take a drug that might ultimately make her ED so much worse.

Oh. How very strange that I was prescribed them from a medical team well aware of my ED history then. Maybe I had the right type of ED. Or maybe your talking out of your behind when you say they don't prescribe them for ED as a blanket rule.

Passingthrough123 · 19/04/2026 15:29

IDontHateRainbows · 19/04/2026 15:21

Oh. How very strange that I was prescribed them from a medical team well aware of my ED history then. Maybe I had the right type of ED. Or maybe your talking out of your behind when you say they don't prescribe them for ED as a blanket rule.

I'm going to ignore the fact you've just been fantastically rude to me, because I don't want to derail OP's thread. What I will say, categorically, is that online prescribers won't prescribe them to anyone with an ED, and nor will many GPs if they know your history. The fact that you don't know that makes me think your case was given different consideration because you'd already had unsuccessful weight loss surgery and were already under the care of a medical team.

Perimenoanti · 19/04/2026 15:32

OP, look for someone specialising in addiction. Because that's what it is. The short form is this: food is meeting a need. You need to figure out what that is and how else to meet it. Something else needs to replace food.

IDontHateRainbows · 19/04/2026 15:37

Passingthrough123 · 19/04/2026 15:29

I'm going to ignore the fact you've just been fantastically rude to me, because I don't want to derail OP's thread. What I will say, categorically, is that online prescribers won't prescribe them to anyone with an ED, and nor will many GPs if they know your history. The fact that you don't know that makes me think your case was given different consideration because you'd already had unsuccessful weight loss surgery and were already under the care of a medical team.

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Wrong! And YOU were spectacular rude to start with telling people not to promote WLI to those with ED when it has categorically changed my life for the better and many others.
Maybe dont tell other posters off if you dont want to spoil the vibe or derail a thread.

Now, I'm off to eat some healthy soup and bread. A couple of years ago it would have been chocolate biscuits and crisps but what the hell do I know..

Passingthrough123 · 19/04/2026 15:46

IDontHateRainbows · 19/04/2026 15:37

Wrong! And YOU were spectacular rude to start with telling people not to promote WLI to those with ED when it has categorically changed my life for the better and many others.
Maybe dont tell other posters off if you dont want to spoil the vibe or derail a thread.

Now, I'm off to eat some healthy soup and bread. A couple of years ago it would have been chocolate biscuits and crisps but what the hell do I know..

Edited

Okay, I was blunt in my initial comment, and I apologise for that. But I find it incredibly disturbing and frustrating when ED sufferers are encouraged to use WLI as a "cure" when the only way they'll get them from prescribers is to lie about having an ED in the first place. That means they'll be administering the drug without the support of a medical team that knows their history, like you are, which means they are on their own if the jabs trigger ED behaviour. As I keep saying, there's a really good reason jab providers won't prescribe to anyone who admits to having a ED - because they know it could be so harmful for them in the long run.

IDontHateRainbows · 19/04/2026 15:51

Passingthrough123 · 19/04/2026 15:46

Okay, I was blunt in my initial comment, and I apologise for that. But I find it incredibly disturbing and frustrating when ED sufferers are encouraged to use WLI as a "cure" when the only way they'll get them from prescribers is to lie about having an ED in the first place. That means they'll be administering the drug without the support of a medical team that knows their history, like you are, which means they are on their own if the jabs trigger ED behaviour. As I keep saying, there's a really good reason jab providers won't prescribe to anyone who admits to having a ED - because they know it could be so harmful for them in the long run.

You're making a lot of assumptions there. Im prescribed on the nhs by a medical team that does know my history, not some back st online pharmacy.

I think your assumptions are possibly at the route of our disagreements, plus it's incredibly insulting for me as someone who used to have an ED be told they can't help ED when I've just said i have experience they can.

To labour the point I no longer need to restrict my eating, which means no more diet binge cycle, I am no longer attracted to junk food I'm not sure what further proof of recovery you need.