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Food industry view: it's not UPFs that are the problem, it's snacking on the UPFs

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Lemonthyme · 28/03/2026 08:57

I work in the food industry which I know will be much maligned on here but most of what I see is mostly pretty ethical when it comes to nutrition. I see changing nutrition as a government job not a manufacturer one. Much as the likes of CvT and Tim Spector claim differently there are no secret labs full of food scientists cackling and designing foods to make you eat more. All they're doing (and have time to do) is make foods that are bought and comply with the law. But there is always going to be a natural reinforcement that the foods which are liked more and where marketing works, will be bought more. This reinforces making more of foods which we like, whether they are healthy or not.

But if there's one thing I'd urge you not to eat and not even to shop is the snacks aisles.

I say "snacks aisles" (plural) because this has been a big change since I started work, just how much they have proliferated across the supermarket. My local medium sized store now has:

Cake aisle
Biscuit aisle.
An aisle with crisps on one side and sweets and chocolate on the other
Another separate aisle with more crisps
Other snacks sneaking in elsewhere into chilled displays

When I was young in the 90s there would probably be one aisle of this kind of stuff at best. It has massively grown and if the UPF tag bothers you, it will often contain ingredients which are extracts or would even have formerly been (but hygienically recovered) waste streams like whey powder or some starches.

Reasonably recently the laws on HFSS (high fat sugar salt) got partially delayed then implemented. This is all about where items like this can be merchandised and offers you can have. For example, it used to be aisle end but now can't be.

But what did manufacturers do? Well the obvious thing. They reformulated. They started to promote their products which were already lower in fat etc which then has halo effects on other products in the range. This might not have been an intended consequence but it's an entirely foreseeable one.

To mean that they get around this law, manufacturers do one or more of these things:

Reduce fat, sugar or salt
Adding in fruit, veg, nuts, protein or fibre

What this all means though is that you will see these "slightly better for you" snacks perhaps with more claims or more of a health halo than they had before.

Here's the fact of it all though. None of these are necessary in your diet. Hey, eat them if you want but you do not need to be fooled into changing from "snack x to snack y now with added fibre and 10% less calories!"

Inevitably, these are foods which don't fill you up and I find it so depressing that people buy them. Especially how mindlessly they're eaten in autopilot. The monotonous picking at crisps in front of the TV or glazed look as eating a chocolate bar when driving. Nobody is eating this food with intention and joy. In general people consume it with the same vacant look as a cow chewing the cud. It's also very possible that the nutritional changes make the snacks less satiating so you end up having a little more.

I think that the UPF arguments are hideously overstated. Fact is that most factories making, say a lasagne or a curry are going to use the same kinds of ingredients you use at home. But that's a meal.

It's the snacks that worry me. As a society we did not used to snack as much as we do now. And we certainly did not used to snack on industrially made foods as much as we do. When I was young if I wanted a snack before dinner it was a choice of a granny smith apple (bleurgh) or a "nice" biscuit (which ok, is industrial but is anything but nice). Nowadays we have such an array of stuff around us all the time.

There is a consultation out there right now in the industry that they will tighten the NPM / HFSS rules further. It will make it harder for manufacturers to comply but some will and others will already have the established links between their products in your minds and "not being all that bad for me" as a belief.

So my pitch, from an insider, is don't trade into a "healthier alternative" or something that's "slightly lower in calories". Just ignore this bloody crap and stop buying it. If you want a snack, grab a satsuma or a (nicer) apple.

OP posts:
Itsmetheflamingo · 28/03/2026 15:04

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 14:26

This every day

But I will find some non UPF meals for you when I can be arsed, I have to drag them all out like I do on every similar thread.

Most marks and Spencer’s ready meals are just food ingredients. Most supermarkets have plenty ready meals that are just ingredients but they do also sell ranges at different price points and cheaper meals do often use emulsifiers to bulk them out.

Thecows · 28/03/2026 15:18

I found this useful, thank you OP

StationJack · 28/03/2026 15:24

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 14:50

You should take up smoking. Its got a lovely scent.

Are you really as idiotic as you sound?

MumofCrohnie · 28/03/2026 15:33

I don't agree - well, I agree about snacking, but not that UPFs in meals are otherwise OK.

The rates of inflammatory bowel disease in children have dramatically increased in countries with a Western diet, and there's increasing evidence that some of the cheap filler UPFs such as maltodextrin, emulsifiers, gums and carrageenan are implicated in triggering IBD in genetically susceptible individuals.

I think yes, avoid snacks, but also stop putting these additives in food.

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 15:40

StationJack · 28/03/2026 15:24

Are you really as idiotic as you sound?

No Im much more idiotic than I sound

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 15:41

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/03/2026 15:04

Most marks and Spencer’s ready meals are just food ingredients. Most supermarkets have plenty ready meals that are just ingredients but they do also sell ranges at different price points and cheaper meals do often use emulsifiers to bulk them out.

I think one of my favourite ones to drag out was the Tesco standard lasagne, I havent eaten it, I dont link it because Im recommending it taste wise!

But its just the stuff you would have at home

Katypp · 28/03/2026 15:48

I knew you'd get a pasting here OP. Everyone thinks they are an expert, everyone thinks the food industry is out to get them (MY homemade bread only contains flour, yeast and water compared to THIS ONE - lists a loaf that contains essentially the same but with all of the conpound ingredients that don't have to be declared on MH food).
I worked in the artisan food business for 12 years and keeping up with the fads was the most difficult part
Coconut oil was evil then it suddenly became good.
Rapeseed oil was good then it suddenly became evil.
Low fat and low calorie were king until customers suddenly switched to fat not being an issue as long as it was the 'right' fat.
Sugar - i had a woman on the phone accusing me of 'slowly killing' her daughter because our 25g pack had 2g of sugar. That fad seems to have died down.
We eventually went under because we could not keep up. Ironically, our product only contained three entirely kitchen ingredients so we would be bang on trend now until the next fad comes along.
And accusing posters of using AI seems to be the new 'are you a bot' putdown

Katypp · 28/03/2026 16:02

8943paula · 28/03/2026 13:29

@Lemonthymeup to 90% of supermarket ready meals are considered UPFs, I know you’re going to dismiss that with your mighty ‘insider knowledge’ and yes I am well aware that UPF as a term is flawed, not well defined and does not treat foods contextually. But saying that the majority of ready meals could be replicated at home is just completely BS. There are so many crap ones out there.

I genuinely believe the way food manufacturing has gone is going to be the health scandal of our generation. Nothing you have said convinces me otherwise, I’ve seen your other posts on other threads, you use limited experience to try to justify a global issue.

To be fair, you use no experience to assume manufacturers are out to trick yiu.

midgetastic · 28/03/2026 16:03

No I have my peas with the fibre - and protein and vitamins and minerals thank you

I mean everything is just some chemical or other - H2O onwards but it does seem that our bodies can cope with eating peas rather than peas that have been
Chemically or mechanically altered to remove most of their goodness

I’ll keep eating in a way I think healthy which hasn’t changed for decades as I manage to ignore the fads the baker below mentioned

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 16:03

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/275142629

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/318278081

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/310187877

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/300496748

Ball park figure, every other Tesco one (I only looked at Tesco own brand) are non UPF

Some I discounted due to having salami/pepperoni in them because the salami and pepperoni have ingredients that no doubt someone would jump on and say its a UPF. I dont consider it so, but nevertheless I left those out

I cant be bothered to go through the other flavours (I picked their pasta ranges)

Katypp · 28/03/2026 16:05

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/03/2026 13:45

Same. I find it really weird that people constantly make this argument. Don’t they know the ingredients list is on the side of the ready meal?!? There are no secrets. I don’t need go use preservatives or stabilisers at home but that doesn’t mean they’re bad, it’s obvious what their purpose is

Agreed. Crosta and Mollica must be laughing all the way to the bank

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