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Food industry view: it's not UPFs that are the problem, it's snacking on the UPFs

61 replies

Lemonthyme · 28/03/2026 08:57

I work in the food industry which I know will be much maligned on here but most of what I see is mostly pretty ethical when it comes to nutrition. I see changing nutrition as a government job not a manufacturer one. Much as the likes of CvT and Tim Spector claim differently there are no secret labs full of food scientists cackling and designing foods to make you eat more. All they're doing (and have time to do) is make foods that are bought and comply with the law. But there is always going to be a natural reinforcement that the foods which are liked more and where marketing works, will be bought more. This reinforces making more of foods which we like, whether they are healthy or not.

But if there's one thing I'd urge you not to eat and not even to shop is the snacks aisles.

I say "snacks aisles" (plural) because this has been a big change since I started work, just how much they have proliferated across the supermarket. My local medium sized store now has:

Cake aisle
Biscuit aisle.
An aisle with crisps on one side and sweets and chocolate on the other
Another separate aisle with more crisps
Other snacks sneaking in elsewhere into chilled displays

When I was young in the 90s there would probably be one aisle of this kind of stuff at best. It has massively grown and if the UPF tag bothers you, it will often contain ingredients which are extracts or would even have formerly been (but hygienically recovered) waste streams like whey powder or some starches.

Reasonably recently the laws on HFSS (high fat sugar salt) got partially delayed then implemented. This is all about where items like this can be merchandised and offers you can have. For example, it used to be aisle end but now can't be.

But what did manufacturers do? Well the obvious thing. They reformulated. They started to promote their products which were already lower in fat etc which then has halo effects on other products in the range. This might not have been an intended consequence but it's an entirely foreseeable one.

To mean that they get around this law, manufacturers do one or more of these things:

Reduce fat, sugar or salt
Adding in fruit, veg, nuts, protein or fibre

What this all means though is that you will see these "slightly better for you" snacks perhaps with more claims or more of a health halo than they had before.

Here's the fact of it all though. None of these are necessary in your diet. Hey, eat them if you want but you do not need to be fooled into changing from "snack x to snack y now with added fibre and 10% less calories!"

Inevitably, these are foods which don't fill you up and I find it so depressing that people buy them. Especially how mindlessly they're eaten in autopilot. The monotonous picking at crisps in front of the TV or glazed look as eating a chocolate bar when driving. Nobody is eating this food with intention and joy. In general people consume it with the same vacant look as a cow chewing the cud. It's also very possible that the nutritional changes make the snacks less satiating so you end up having a little more.

I think that the UPF arguments are hideously overstated. Fact is that most factories making, say a lasagne or a curry are going to use the same kinds of ingredients you use at home. But that's a meal.

It's the snacks that worry me. As a society we did not used to snack as much as we do now. And we certainly did not used to snack on industrially made foods as much as we do. When I was young if I wanted a snack before dinner it was a choice of a granny smith apple (bleurgh) or a "nice" biscuit (which ok, is industrial but is anything but nice). Nowadays we have such an array of stuff around us all the time.

There is a consultation out there right now in the industry that they will tighten the NPM / HFSS rules further. It will make it harder for manufacturers to comply but some will and others will already have the established links between their products in your minds and "not being all that bad for me" as a belief.

So my pitch, from an insider, is don't trade into a "healthier alternative" or something that's "slightly lower in calories". Just ignore this bloody crap and stop buying it. If you want a snack, grab a satsuma or a (nicer) apple.

OP posts:
midgetastic · 28/03/2026 14:00

I searched ready meals on the Sainsbury’s app and looked into the first few results and every one of them is UPF and much worse nutritionally than the equivalent home made meal

and no these food don’t fill you up the same way traditional food does

it doesn’t matter what aisle it’s in or when you eat it - it’s what you eat that matter

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/03/2026 14:01

StationJack · 28/03/2026 14:00

It's a separate issue to the subject being discussed on the thread.

I don’t understand why you’re saying that. The behaviour of manufacturing companies is literally the subject of the thread

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 14:02

StationJack · 28/03/2026 13:51

This thread is about UPFs not smoking.

The poster I replied to said its about the consumer, arguing the point that government shouldnt really have a sway/say/influence/action

So about smoking then? Just about the consumer? Or about putting the brakes on the manufacturers attempts to sell something dangerous to the public?

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/03/2026 14:02

midgetastic · 28/03/2026 14:00

I searched ready meals on the Sainsbury’s app and looked into the first few results and every one of them is UPF and much worse nutritionally than the equivalent home made meal

and no these food don’t fill you up the same way traditional food does

it doesn’t matter what aisle it’s in or when you eat it - it’s what you eat that matter

can you show some examples and what you consider “much worse nutritionally” to mean?

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 28/03/2026 14:16

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 13:44

Yes the countless threads about whether to use a stock cube or people getting rid of their brown sauce or tomato sauce is testament to this.

Although I'll now contradict myself by saying I swapped to a ketchup with a better list of ingredients and it does actually taste more tomato-ey!

StationJack · 28/03/2026 14:17

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 14:02

The poster I replied to said its about the consumer, arguing the point that government shouldnt really have a sway/say/influence/action

So about smoking then? Just about the consumer? Or about putting the brakes on the manufacturers attempts to sell something dangerous to the public?

Start your own thread about smoking. AFAIK nobody is smoking UPFS.
Nobody needs to smoke but people need to eat.

midgetastic · 28/03/2026 14:20

Try this

https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-spinach-ricotta-tortelloni-300g

tell me how much of the ingredients are in your home ?refined soya beans and pea fibre? Really?

if I was making something similar ( I don’t bother making ravioli so it would be pasta with sauce or lasagne ) would have whole veg - spinach and onion and possibly peas ( as I like veg ) , plain wholemeal pasta, milk and cheese and a little butter - much more fibre for a start. Possibly a little grated nutmeg . Or chilli flakes

StationJack · 28/03/2026 14:20

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/03/2026 14:01

I don’t understand why you’re saying that. The behaviour of manufacturing companies is literally the subject of the thread

The thread is literally about the food industry.

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 28/03/2026 14:21

StationJack · 28/03/2026 14:17

Start your own thread about smoking. AFAIK nobody is smoking UPFS.
Nobody needs to smoke but people need to eat.

I think you're missing the point. Smoking is an example of where governments taking responsibility helped change the behaviours of consumers. Now we are looking at UPFs thinking, could government help change the behaviours of consumers?

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 14:22

StationJack · 28/03/2026 14:17

Start your own thread about smoking. AFAIK nobody is smoking UPFS.
Nobody needs to smoke but people need to eat.

They dont need to eat a krispie kreme

The OP is about the consumer leaving well alone on the shelf

As she said 'leave the bloody crap alone'

Same is said for any items that are damaging to the consumer, legally allowed, pushed by the manufacturer to be desirable, necessary, enjoyable, socially acceptable

So the query arose from someone saying the government shouldnt intervene as its up to the consumer. The same should or shouldnt apply then to other items, alcohol is another

By the way you dont get to tell someone what to post about on a thread. If you're not interested in the parallels about consumer behaviour and government intervention dont respond to me.

StationJack · 28/03/2026 14:23

I am not missing the point. You are derailing.

What do you want - photos of rotten teeth and cancerous bowels on food packaging?

midgetastic · 28/03/2026 14:23

I think it’s fair to draw analogy with smoking

I mean the food industry would hate that because we all now know how bad smoking is and how the smoking industry went out of its way to hide and lie and the food industry would rather we didn’t see them that way

but the parallels - smoking like junk food is enjoyable and ( at the time ) cheap and easy - loads to
love and consumers will probably think “it can’t be that bad or it would be illegal “ so they end up addicted to junk food and the health of the nation suffers and the food industry won’t change because why should it! It’s legal and making money and providing cheap and tasty foot for people

midgetastic · 28/03/2026 14:23

StationJack · 28/03/2026 14:23

I am not missing the point. You are derailing.

What do you want - photos of rotten teeth and cancerous bowels on food packaging?

Why not if it’s the truth?

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 14:24

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 28/03/2026 14:16

Although I'll now contradict myself by saying I swapped to a ketchup with a better list of ingredients and it does actually taste more tomato-ey!

Lol!! Yes

Although to be fair, the point of condiments is the flavour profile which is usually quite piquant with sweet, salty, sour, vinegary etc.

I saw a programme recently where someone made ketchup sandwiches!!

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 14:26

midgetastic · 28/03/2026 14:23

I think it’s fair to draw analogy with smoking

I mean the food industry would hate that because we all now know how bad smoking is and how the smoking industry went out of its way to hide and lie and the food industry would rather we didn’t see them that way

but the parallels - smoking like junk food is enjoyable and ( at the time ) cheap and easy - loads to
love and consumers will probably think “it can’t be that bad or it would be illegal “ so they end up addicted to junk food and the health of the nation suffers and the food industry won’t change because why should it! It’s legal and making money and providing cheap and tasty foot for people

This every day

But I will find some non UPF meals for you when I can be arsed, I have to drag them all out like I do on every similar thread.

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 28/03/2026 14:27

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 14:24

Lol!! Yes

Although to be fair, the point of condiments is the flavour profile which is usually quite piquant with sweet, salty, sour, vinegary etc.

I saw a programme recently where someone made ketchup sandwiches!!

My dad used to make sandwiches filled with grated cheese mixed with ketchup as an occasional treat - they were my favourite!

Gwenhwyfar · 28/03/2026 14:27

Who is this for? Surely everyone knows that junk food snacks are worse for you than UPF? Who has ever said the opposite?

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 14:28

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 28/03/2026 14:27

My dad used to make sandwiches filled with grated cheese mixed with ketchup as an occasional treat - they were my favourite!

Actually they sound really nice. I hope butter was also involved!

midgetastic · 28/03/2026 14:34

Oh I am sure there are good ready meals out there - but it seems most are not

and given today’s diet is sausage rolls and chocolate I amnt being miss perfect !

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 14:35

midgetastic · 28/03/2026 14:34

Oh I am sure there are good ready meals out there - but it seems most are not

and given today’s diet is sausage rolls and chocolate I amnt being miss perfect !

Im going to get off the sofa and get some biscuits in a minute!!

When I was looking, most were not UPF, I will double check later. See me, covered in crumbs, scrolling through the ready meal section!

StationJack · 28/03/2026 14:40

Ready meals tend to taste the same and I smell funny after eating UPFs.

likelysuspect · 28/03/2026 14:50

StationJack · 28/03/2026 14:40

Ready meals tend to taste the same and I smell funny after eating UPFs.

You should take up smoking. Its got a lovely scent.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 28/03/2026 14:55

Personally I think making foods that are particularly detrimental to health less visible would help, much as tobacco products are hidden. Or even visible behind a counter. I struggle massively with eating unhealthy foods particularly sugary products. If they weren't on display I'd find it much easier to say no, I'm certainly not alone with that. I don't think its a case of over simplifying and saying the consumer should decide. The products are designed to be addictive, packaged with colours that appeal to the senses, advertised in a way to tempt, advertising agents use psychological tricks to entice consumers. They literally find your vulnerability and play on it. And as a result we have an obesity crisis across the western world. If all high sugar snack foods were kept in equal coloured brown paper bags available behind the counter, sales would drop dramatically. If nutritionally poor foods were taxed and healthier foods taxed less, there would be a slow shift. If the concept of snacking wasnt constantly advertised and a health campaign launched telling people snacks are only useful if proper meals are not being consumed. In time it would become less socially acceptable to constantly snack on these foods and eventually the health of the nation would improve. We'd all be better off for it financially and health wise.

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/03/2026 14:56

midgetastic · 28/03/2026 14:20

Try this

https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-spinach-ricotta-tortelloni-300g

tell me how much of the ingredients are in your home ?refined soya beans and pea fibre? Really?

if I was making something similar ( I don’t bother making ravioli so it would be pasta with sauce or lasagne ) would have whole veg - spinach and onion and possibly peas ( as I like veg ) , plain wholemeal pasta, milk and cheese and a little butter - much more fibre for a start. Possibly a little grated nutmeg . Or chilli flakes

The refined soya beans are part of the ingredients in the vegetable oil, so yes, sadly that is also in the vegetable oil I keep in my kitchen. The pea/ potato fibres are perfectly healthy ingredients. I was expecting you to link a load of Frankenstein food 🤣

StationJack · 28/03/2026 15:02

@Dontlletmedownbruce , Just avoid the aisles selling them or order online.