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Why BMI Is a Racist System

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easypeasylemonn · 19/02/2025 10:03

So for a while, I've been trying to lose weight and I have always been "obese" according to BMI when I was size 10 due to my height. I now have a better grip on when I am my healthiest/how to lose fat in a healthy way (diet/working out).

I don't know if this has ever been raised before on Mumsnet but I find it crazy that people still don't know that BMI was developed using flawed, Eurocentric data and applied universally without considering differences in body composition. I've pulled some info together - what are your thoughts??

BMI Was Created Using White European Data:

Developed in the 19th century by Adolphe Quetelet, BMI was based on measurements from white European men. It was never intended to be a diagnostic tool for individual health but was later misapplied in medicine without adjusting for racial and ethnic diversity.

It Was Tested Using Data from Enslaved Black People:

In the 19th century, racist pseudoscience influenced how body measurements were used. Scientists like Louis Agassiz and Samuel Morton collected data from enslaved African people to argue that Black individuals had fundamentally different (and supposedly inferior) bodies compared to white Europeans. This racial bias informed later medical standards, including BMI, reinforcing false ideas about Black physiology.

BMI Ignores Racial Differences in Body Composition:

BMI assumes that all bodies store fat, muscle, and bone in the same way, but research shows that:

  • Black individuals tend to have higher muscle mass and bone density, leading to overestimations of obesity and health risks.
  • Asian populations often have higher health risks at lower BMIs, meaning they might be underdiagnosed for conditions like diabetes or heart disease.
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Adamante · 19/02/2025 17:07

AlwaysCoffee25 · 19/02/2025 10:25

It’s just a blunt tool used as part of wider considerations to assess your health.

It’s draining people just looking to be offended all the time.

This.

Branster · 19/02/2025 17:14

I don't even know why people bring up BMI measurements all the time.
If using it as a target for weight loss, surely looking in the mirror and using the scales give you all the answers you need.
Why the extra measurements?

denhaag · 19/02/2025 17:55

easypeasylemonn · 19/02/2025 16:11

I really just wanted to hear some opinions - so thank you!

While 'racist' is a strong term, 'biased' may be more appropriate. Historically, research in this area has been deeply flawed, often lacking diversity. However, more recent studies have taken a more inclusive approach, examining body composition across various ethnic groups and the broader male and female diaspora.

South Asian/5ft1 - I remember being told I was in the obese category about 10 years ago when I was a size 10, at the docs surgery. I'm sure the NHS has made changes to the BMI calculator in that time.

I think bottom line - I find it to be less useful when calculating how "healthy" my weight is. More recently, I've been going by energy levels/how I'm sleeping/how I'm fitting in my clothes. I guess those are more indicative of what makes me feel good - less health-related.

What does "wider male and female diaspora" mean?
Also, I understand that the upper healthy BMI for people for South Asia is lower than that for white people so your argument that you were classed as obese when you should not have been doesn't hold.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 20/02/2025 09:31

Not taking biological gender into consideration is another flaw.
Like others have said, it's one of many tools, so can't go by just your bmi.

janispoplin · 20/02/2025 11:46

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 20/02/2025 09:31

Not taking biological gender into consideration is another flaw.
Like others have said, it's one of many tools, so can't go by just your bmi.

It does take biological gender I.e. sex in to account. Male and female BMI charts are not the same.

denhaag · 20/02/2025 11:52

janispoplin · 20/02/2025 11:46

It does take biological gender I.e. sex in to account. Male and female BMI charts are not the same.

The NHS one does not ask your sex.

denhaag · 20/02/2025 11:54

denhaag · 20/02/2025 11:52

The NHS one does not ask your sex.

It doesn't take into account that women have more body fat than men, or take muscle/fat into account at all. It's not meant to - it's a blunt tool.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 20/02/2025 12:26

janispoplin · 20/02/2025 11:46

It does take biological gender I.e. sex in to account. Male and female BMI charts are not the same.

Not the NHS one.

Tulipsandaffodils · 20/02/2025 12:39

As others said it is just a tool not some golden rule and as a rough guide it is a good one, the corridors are huge, as a pp said, 3 stone often between underweight and overweight, which makes allowances for ethnicity and body type. It doesn’t say everyone has to be 5ft x at x weight.

and the fact a doctor told you you were obese isn’t uncommon irrrelvqnt of ethnicity, I was told by an elderly white doctor when my bmi was 23 that I “really need to get that extra weight off.” I’m a relatively tall while woman. Being a doctor doesn’t sadly prevent you from being a foolish twat.

Beetrooty · 20/02/2025 12:50

Tulipsandaffodils · 20/02/2025 12:39

As others said it is just a tool not some golden rule and as a rough guide it is a good one, the corridors are huge, as a pp said, 3 stone often between underweight and overweight, which makes allowances for ethnicity and body type. It doesn’t say everyone has to be 5ft x at x weight.

and the fact a doctor told you you were obese isn’t uncommon irrrelvqnt of ethnicity, I was told by an elderly white doctor when my bmi was 23 that I “really need to get that extra weight off.” I’m a relatively tall while woman. Being a doctor doesn’t sadly prevent you from being a foolish twat.

Dear me! That is v weird.
My bmi is a fair bit higher than yours and I'm surprised I've not been told to lose weight by any drs or nurses.

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