Ozempic question

[missfliss]

Hello -
I know there is a long thread on Ozempic and I've been following quietly.

It's something I might consider in the future - but not now ( training for a big sports event and need to fuel properly).

My question is though - what happens when you stop taking it? Does your appetite return to normal ? Or does taking it for a long period help retrain your food / satiety mechanisms to support willpower / education?

I'm totally open to trying but want to understand that if that kind of investment is needed, what else you might need to do to ensure long term success.

I'm overweight by probably 2 stone, reasonable fit, main problems are sugar and emotional / boredom eating and portion sizes.

Any help or experiences welcome.

( successfully lost weight previously but tend to go back to old overeating again - I have a decent knowledge about what i need to eat / good nutrition but seem to lack the control or consistency to avoid overeating)

I didn't say everyone who was obese was a victim of csa. Some are. I have said the causes are deep rooted and need addressing. It's not condescending, supercilious or moralising to say people need help to address the underlying issues.

They really need to bring back findus crispy pancakes. I think I only ever had the cheese ones but they were amazing with chips and peas. Last eaten by me around 2001 but a childhood favourite. When did they disappear as I know I've not seen them since then.

Quite.

I'm off to take my fat, defensive, angry body out for a walk in the sun. If I stay here I'll just dissolve in a pool of lard-fuelled anger and self harm :/

To get back to the actual question, the research is not good news so far. It's showing that once you stop the meds, regardless of your moral probity and willingness to follow a good diet and exercise, the weight comes back and brings more fat with it for most people. It's looking like obesity needs to be treated in a similar manner to high blood pressure and the med needs to be longterm. Ozempic doesn't just work by being an appetite suppressant.

My plan, once we can finally get ozempic here again, is to stay on the drug for a few years to see if I can reset my set point. My blood glucose is amazing so that makes it all worthwhile.

Oh and the shortage in the US is real, it's not because insurance companies are denying it. It's true that they seem to be becoming stricter on people who want ozempic for weightloss but the shortages are driven by the drug being used offlabel and issues with the manufacture of the pens to deliver the drug. Australia ran out of ozempic in January, supply is supposed to be restored in either March or April. Or even June. It sucks.

You said it's often the reason, but you know what, it's a lovely sunny Sunday and I don't want to keep the argument going because I can see you are actually a kindred spirit – you also want Findus Crispy Pancakes to return! I used to love the minced beef ones (although if you Google them now 'horse meat' comes up in the results 😳!).

My plan, once we can finally get ozempic here again, is to stay on the drug for a few years to see if I can reset my set point.

That is exactly the reason I would consider taking it. If there was evidence that a couple of years' use could reset your set point I'd be mainlining it. Instead, I'm scared it will drive mine up even higher.

@AutisticLegoLover you did say People need help/a fuck tonne of therapy to get to the root of why they eat too much and how to stop doing it. Money would be better spent on therapy and a PT if funds allow or therapy first, PT after. Obesity is sadly often rooted in childhood sexual abuse and people subconsciously get fat and keep themselves fat in an attempt to make themselves unattractive. That's something that needs years of therapy to come to terms with.

But most obsese people haven't experienced hildhood sexual abuse or deeprooted trauma. That's just your opinion possibly based on personal experience, not fact.

I don't need a "fuck toone a therapy" thanks very much. I'm just become a bit too keen on stuff like Findus pancakes & hope that Ozempic can help me reset my appetite.

In other news mumsnet posters don’t listen with an open mind and exhibit exactly the behaviour Steve Siebold talks about and throws around accusations of judgemental and condescending then wonder why they struggle. Lol. How about taking on board some advice posted by some of the sensible people on here.

Why would I want to take onboard 'sensible advice' from someone who clearly has only come on to hector and judge.

I don't know you, I don't care about Steve Siebold, and I have no time for antagonistic pricks.

You don't give a shit clearly - but you are alienating not helping.

Lol away - it doesn't make you funny - it just makes you a d1ck.

Maybe because he has lost weight. I have also lost weight. So maybe you could learn something. Instead of coming at people with a funny attitude and behaving unlady like.

And there's the nub E30.

You are making a dangerous assumption that what has worked for you will therefore apply to others.

It doesn't work like that.

I've lost weight and regained it, several times over.

Many of us have.

The reasons are complex and an individualized combination of physiological, psychological, environmental and social.

It's great that you have been successful and congratulations - that is an achievement.

Just don't make assumptions about those of us who haven't been successful and what has led us here.

I guarantee you it will work as long as you stick through it. If works for me can work for anyone.

Are you on commission for Steve Siebold? Is it actually a MLM scheme? You do seem very intent on pushing him as the only weight loss answer.

Sorry if my posts came across in an unintended way but I’m here genuinely to offer advice if anyone wants it. If they don’t then carry on doing what they’re doing. No point debating any further as have to just agree to disagree.

I don’t believe in MLM bullshit. He talks a lot of sense and I’m not affiliated with him.

You may have good intentions but your tone throughout has been disparaging and scathing, like the rest of us are fat thickos who don't know our arses from our plump elbows when it comes to dieting. Oh but we do though, we've tried every frickin' diet in the book and after years of disordered eating some of us are turning to Ozempic as a last resort, often in panic. Maybe we'll regret it. Maybe this is going to be the next massive health scare with class action lawsuits against the makers when it rots our insides. Who knows? If that happens, you can absolutely come back and say 'told you so'. But, for now, you've made your point, please leave us be.

”unladylike” I’ve heard it all now 😂

No, because if we carry on the way we are we will have the same medical disorder. Prevention is better than cure

Oh be quiet do

You see that is just it @E30. You have been told that people don’t want your advice . But you are still here repeating the same stuff. You seem to think that none of us have ever thought of doing what you did. I have news for you. We did. Many times. And please don’t tell me I just had to keep at it. You did that already.

If you are in a calorie deficit you will lose weight.
if you keep protein high most of it will be fat
if you are not losing weight you aren’t in a calorie deficit.
it is that simple but not easy to do consistently day in day out for many many weeks especially if want to lose a lot.

If it doesn’t work you aren’t in deficit or if you think you are you are not counting properly.

For crying out loud @E30, we've asked you nicely to drop it. We get you don't approve. We get you lost weight in a way that you think is healthier. Well done. Bravo. All the back slaps for you. Now bugger off and leave the thread be.

if diabetics cannot obtain their medication because some people don’t want to properly exercise and eat better that is so shameful and shallow

Most type 2 diabetics only have type 2 diabetes because they didn't exercise or eat properly.

Why are one group of fat, lazy f*ckers more deserving of the wonder drug than the other?!

(I'm joking, I'm joking before anyone piles in 😂😂)

That's hilarious @AndSoFinally. Not. Type 2 is a bit more complex than just being a fat lazy fucker.

The issue I've seen discussed the most is that people with comparatively little to lose are seeking out this drug and some dodgy doctors are prescribing. You bet I'm pissed off when someone with 5 kilos to lose is using a drug that is for diabetics (wegovy is the weight loss semaglutide) when diabetics actually need it for blood glucose control.

Wegovy isn’t currently available in the U.K. though? Once it is I’m sure most of us will switch to that instead.
Obesity and Type 2 diabetes go hand in hand. Most of us are trying to prevent diabetes not wait until we’ve got it to be prescribed Ozempic. And there is no current shortage in the U.K. so what’s your problem? Beyond not getting jokes?