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Low carb and thrush

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JohnWaynesHorse · 16/01/2021 18:13

I'm finishing my second week eating low carb. I have developed thrush which I have never had before except when I've taken antibiotics. Is this something others have experienced? It doesn't seem to make sense as you are reducing available sugar - so what has happened?

I have have had a google with unclear mixed results. I'm hoping this is usual......

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Cormoran · 16/01/2021 19:50

Sorry but an unbalanced diet with high fat will promote vaginal growth.

"Yasmin et al. proved that increased dietary fat intake (39% of energy from fat), especially total fat, saturated fat and monounsaturated fat, can increase vaginal pH, thus increasing the risk of bacterial vaginosis. In addition, dietary fat may be a factor that inhibits the immune functions of the intestinal mucosa. It is likely that a high dietary fat intake may affect the mucosal immune system and thus increase the risk of bacterial infections associated with BV. The studies cited did not show a relationship between BV and carbohy- drate or protein intake, and this means that high fat intake is a predictor of BV independent of energy intake [16–18]."
From these medical papers
academic.oup.com/jn/article/137/9/2128/4664877
journals.lww.com/jcge/Abstract/2010/09001/Obesity,_Metabolic_Syndrome,and_Microbiota.5.aspx

People are quick to jump into the low carb trend without realising that unbalanced diet have wide effects.

JohnWaynesHorse · 16/01/2021 20:46

Thanks for your reply. Ok, so it seems it's not unexpected. I will treat as I normally would with canestan and mention it to my doctor next time I'm there. He was the person that advised I should "jump in" to this and I've done my reading but this hadn't come up so thanks for the pointer. Smile

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Cormoran · 16/01/2021 21:07

Many times, a study that compares diet with measure a health low whatever (fat, car, protein) against a crappy diet and of course will come out as beneficial. But when studies have been done that compare healthy low carb against healthy low fat, the diets are equivalent. What matters is the "healthy" component. jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2673150

There is not one ideal diet for all. Some will do better on low carb, other on low fat, and maybe you should take your body's response to the low carb as an indication it might not be the right one for you.

Whenever adopting a log/high something, the first food to go are processed food, and the main benefit comes actually from that (no added sugar, no refined grains, processed oils) , so in the end, the real benefit is the banning of industrial and processed food, the snacking and so on.

In the world of nutrition studies, the bias is dominant. Especially for anyone who earns money out of a point of view. Whatever point of view and whatever mean they get the money from, be it the advertisement on YouTube videos, selling a program, a subscription, social media, influencing and so on.

They will throw numbers and manipulated studies like the picture I attached promoting low carb. But in my image, the right is not low carb (carrots, potatoes, ...) , it is crap vs healthy.

All this nutritionism is very confusing, and I would dare say even damaging.
If you can apply the no added sugars, no refined grains, no processed oil and enjoy a healthy die, you will see the success

Low carb and thrush
JohnWaynesHorse · 16/01/2021 23:18

No, I know I have a problem with insulin resistance so low carb is the correct diet for me. It's just whether this particular issue - the thrush - is a usual thing to expect as I don't usually suffer except with antibiotics. Still, I will discuss with my doctor in the next week. Thanks

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Pacif1cDogwood · 16/01/2021 23:20

No, thrush is not a particular issue relating to low carb diets.

And BV is something completely different from thrush.

Cormoran · 17/01/2021 01:01

@JohnWaynesHorse there is no doubt that anyone, insulin resistant or insulin sensitive, can benefit from a diet that eliminate food such as biscuits, white toast, chips, crisps, white pasta and snacks.
The problem you must be aware of is that if you elicited carb but increase food from animal origin ( processed meat such as bacon, ham, cheese, cream , .....) you will make your insulin resistance WORSE . Your fat should be of plant origin , or even better , remove wrong and fast carbs for more vegetables

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31451269/

JohnWaynesHorse · 17/01/2021 01:16

Thanks, but I don't feel a heading toward vegan diet would be right for me. I am very fortunate to also live in a place where unprocessed home grown meat is very available (and I know the local farmers) and eggs are bought from my neighbours with their garden chickens.

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Cormoran · 17/01/2021 03:05

I didn’t suggest a vegan diet but that you looked into plant source of fat more than animal sources.
It is what you replace the carb with that matters.

The science is more towards fibre than animal products in addition to your normal quantity of meat/ eggs you were normally eating before

cyber.sci-hub.se/MTAuMTExMS9qLjEzNjUtMjI2NS4yMDEyLjA0NDUwLng=/weickert2012.pdf

Just suggesting you do some reading into science papers more than any program earning money

Blondie1984 · 17/01/2021 03:52

Drink plenty of fluid, make sure you’re getting enough fibre and also have things that nourish your gut as that’s where much of your immune system lives - prebiotic foods, and things like kefir, sauerkraut, kombucha and live yogurt

ProudAuntie76 · 17/01/2021 11:05

If you previously ate a lot of sugar and you have a yeast infection (which is thrush/Candida) then really a low carb diet should help not hinder.

Seek advice from the GP. You might need some nyastatin or another anti fungal.

Cormoran · 17/01/2021 20:54

This is a misconception.
"Another misconception about Candida is the notion that a high-protein, high-fat diet starves Candida cells, but in reality, both protein and fat feed Candida. Even if your symptoms initially improve, ultimately this approach can backfire, as excess protein and fat in the gut provides a feeding ground for bacteria, cancer cells, viruses, etc. which can trigger Candida growth as your body attempts to combat these things. Thus, the best approach is to eat a lower-fat diet that includes fruits and their pathogen-killing nutrients. '

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