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A space to talk openly about weight loss journeys and challenges. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

I really need to lose weight for my health

37 replies

RejectedAgain · 27/11/2020 22:47

Just that really. 5'4 and 15 stone currently. Am being sent to hospital ASAP for checks to see if I have cancer and this is a massive wake up call. I'm 34 and have an 12 and 6 year old who need their mummy fit and healthy. Weight loss will help this a lot. Please help with ideas as I'm panicking and stressed right now Sad

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Purplewithred · 27/11/2020 22:51

There are thousands of t place to start is understanding your downfalls though. Do,you eat huge portions? Snack all day? Drink gallons of full sugar coke? What makes you keep,eating?

RejectedAgain · 27/11/2020 22:54

Picking mostly. Lots of small meals plus lots of snacks, plus lots of sugary drinks. I walk at least 20000-25000 steps a day so exercise isn't an issue

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MiddleClassMother · 27/11/2020 22:56

Eat less, more healthy meals and little snacks. Move more. That's the easiest way.
How much weight do you have to lose? If there's a lot you could consider a keto diet, my friend did one last year and she looks incredible now, like a changed women, she also did it after a health scare. Don't do a crash diet or anything as they'll only make you miserable and unhealthy x
You've got thisThanks

MiddleClassMother · 27/11/2020 22:58

Wow that's a lot of steps OP! Definitely cut out the sugary drinks, snacks and excess meals, if you get hungry snack on things like rice cakes, nuts and fruit.
Do you cook at all? If you look on bbc good food there is some great healthy meals suitable for you and the family.

BIWI · 27/11/2020 22:58

Sadly exercise really doesn't make that much difference to weight loss.

I'm sorry to hear that you're in the middle of a cancer scare.

Why don't you come and join us on Bootcamp? A low carb way of eating that should be positive for you, not just from the perspective of weight loss but also better health.

Charles11 · 27/11/2020 22:59

Sorry to hear about your tests op. What a worry but hopefully, you’ll be fine.
It’s worth looking into this if you’re worried about cancer.
I find diet doctor really good. I think it’s by dr Jason fung. He has a lot of YouTube videos too.
There’s a lot around about vegan diets and cancer which might be worth looking into.

RejectedAgain · 27/11/2020 23:05

@MiddleClassMother they haven't said I have to lose weight but I know it will help me if I do need treatment. I'm just so fecking tired all the time I dont know how I'd cope without carbs and sugar Confused

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RejectedAgain · 27/11/2020 23:06

@Charles11 already veggie but could look into vegan

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BIWI · 27/11/2020 23:13

[quote RejectedAgain]@MiddleClassMother they haven't said I have to lose weight but I know it will help me if I do need treatment. I'm just so fecking tired all the time I dont know how I'd cope without carbs and sugar Confused[/quote]
I can guarantee that if you give up the carbs and sugar you will not feel tired all the time!

FamilyOfAliens · 27/11/2020 23:17

If it helps for you to hear what worked for others - I suddenly developed high BP three years ago and my GP advised going on medication, unless I could make changes to my lifestyle that would lower it. I have regular colonoscopies because of a family history of bowel cancer and at the latest one I had to wait an hour for my BP to be low enough for them to proceed.

I made the decision to try to lose weight and started MyFitnessPal.

Two years later I’d lost three and a half stone. I’ve kept it off too, though only because I continue to record everything I eat, every day. It’s been hard during lockdown and I’ve gained about 4-5lbs. But I feel so much better overall and I eat better to. I would constantly snack on cheese and think it was ok because it was only a small bit.

I never thought I could lost weight by changing what I eat. Honestly OP, if I can do it, anyone can!

LeGrandBleu · 28/11/2020 08:49

The answer might actually be the other way round. Following an anti-cancer diet will make you lose weight because you need to load and eat so many different specific vegetables each with specific anti cancer properties that there isn't much space for anything else.

I have a genetic disease called Nf1 that has a lifetime cancer risk of 60% and shitty prognosis if we get it. We have a shorter life expectancy - 26 less years - and women are worse off than men (mainly because of breast cancer) .
I am trying to beat the odds by adopting a cancer preventive diet and the cool thing is that because we also grow tumours on our body, the difference and reduction of tumours is quite evident.

If you are determined into your cancer reduction life style, you should start with the Servan Schreiber " anticancer way of life".
As a rule, those with high risk should be low protein as well and reduce a protein called methionine, mainly in animal food. Protein will increase two growth factors, IGF_1 and mTOR. You should keep these low and eat mTOR inhibitors, which are listed in this paper. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775843/
Looks complicated but actually quite easy to understand.

Hormone related cancers such as breast, might benefit from going dairy-free.

So while for a generic weightloss , low carb can work, for cancer prevention , it really depends on what you are eating, more than what you are avoiding. Soy is very protective for breast cancer but is not low carb. For colon cancer, beans are recommended, but again not low carb.

Start by cutting all the processed food, especially ultra processed food, and buy fresh, the greatest variety of colour. Very high fibre.
There are many vegetables (onion, garlic, cruciferous, leeks, turmeric, green tea, berries, mushrooms, tomatoes, carrots, flaxseeds....) that increase your body's defence.
Processed food included refined grains and processed oils, so everything white is out, chips, crisps, processed meats , ready meals, ....
Stop the snacking. If you must, have blackberries, blueberries, raspberries even frozen. Ditch sugary drinks and have green tea - a lot of green tea - this will also cut your appetite.

There are many books about cancer-diet.

Even if your cancer scare turns out to be only a scare, take the steps for yours and your kids health. They eat what you eat or what they see you eating and drinking.

RejectedAgain · 28/11/2020 13:23

@LeGrandBleu I also have NF1 which is why they are following this up quickly Smile

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RejectedAgain · 28/11/2020 13:24

@LeGrandBleu although I didn't know I had it till last year. Apparently I was diagnosed at 7 years old but the medics had missed it on my notes ConfusedHmm

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BIWI · 28/11/2020 14:19
Shock

How did they manage that?!
Glad you're being followed up quickly, and fingers crossed all will be fine.

@LeGrandBleu that's really interesting about soy being protective against breast cancer. I always thought the opposite was true!

RejectedAgain · 28/11/2020 16:14

@BIWI possibly because i lived with my mum who was the one who took me to hospital etc and then I moved to my dad at 12. I've no idea though how to be honest. The first I heard of it was at a doctor appointment for blood pressure and he said "we really should be seeing you at least once a year for your bp check because of your condition" and I was like Hmm and had no idea what he was on about and he had to explain to me.

Tbh I have hundreds of freckles in all the places they say, about 12 massive cafe au lait spots, loads of cherry antinomians, a big head, lots of headaches & migraines & lots of lipomas so it all makes sense really.

I just wish I knew before I had my kids so I could have had genetic screening

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Eckhart · 28/11/2020 16:17

Before you do anything else, make a rule for yourself: 'I will not drink sugar.'

There's lots more you can do, but that alone would make a huge difference.

LeGrandBleu · 28/11/2020 19:47

@RejectedAgain sorry, I didn't know it was Nf1, I would have chosen the words differently.
So, your medical emergency, your cancer scare, is it the finding out about your Nf or is there a specific mass or blood result that cause worry?

The good news in all this is that by adopting a specific way of eating you might lose some of your neurofibromas, what you called lipomas. I have very few, and they are tiny. I had more, but they went away with diet.
I was at the beach yesterday in a bikini (I am in Sydney, it was 40 degrees yesterday) and you can't tell I have Nf1.

The urgency here is you becoming educated about Nf1, what it does, what are the manifestations and their danger , and most importantly what you could and should do about these.

Have you been seen at an Nf1 clinic ?
So I am going to give you a very brief summary.

The NF1 gene, like the BRCA1 gene, belongs to the tumour suppresso genes. We have 65 of them and they protect us against tumours. The famous Angelina Jolie gene protects agains breast cancer, our the NF1 gene protects us against nerve sheath tumours. To understand what the nerve sheath is, think about your phone charger. There is a plastic covering around the wires that sometimes break and you can see the wires within. The plastic covering the cable wires is the nerve sheath: the covering of the nerves.

So neither in the case of NF1 or BRCA1, does the gene cause tumours and cancers, it is where there is a mutation and it is defective that it can't play its role properly.

The way Nf1 acts is by down-regulating a cellular pathways called RAS which is involved in cell proliferation, growth and cell death. Cells grow all the time, and in our case, they miss the stop signal, they also forget to die, and so we develop tumour on our nerves. Problems is we have nerves everywhere, on the skin, on the organs, brain....
This will explain the internal and external tumours. A cancer is an out of control growth of abnormal cells. None of your fibromas will become cancerous. But your messed - up pathway, having the "grow ! grow! Grow! " signal always switch on, will favour cancer cells too.

Second good news, is that if you look at images of the RAS pathway , it will take you a while to locate NF1 because it is. very busy pathway . Nothing in the body works in isolation. Other enzymes and proteins can step in and compensate.

With diet you can do two things. Try to inhibit and silence the "GROW!!" signals by acting on mTOR and insulin, so low protein and low sugar, and activate all the repair mechanism in the body for DNA damage, cell mutation, encouraging cell death (apoptosis) with a very polyphenols rich diet.
With Nf1 and BRCA1 and all the other tumour suppressor gene mutations, they are not good at their job, like a drunk goal keeper, so you need to increase the defence and-possibly act on the attacks as well, so everything that will cause damaged cells, wrong food such as cancer inducing ones (sugar, bacon, charred meats, processed foods), lack of exercise and so on.

Acting on both to protect your cells, will protect you from both an increase in cutaneous neurofibromas and future cancers.

So the exercise is not for the benefit of weightloss, but to silence growth factors and rejuvenate cells. So a big yes to exercise. Especially because we have bone issue and have weak bones. So to prevent osteoporosis, you need to start using them now.

You will find out, that eating for saving your life is the greatest motivator ever.

What about your kids, are you going to do the genetic testing for them?

@BIWI so since has found out that whole be it soy or carrot is protective whereas any extract be it phytoestrogen or betacarotene is cancer inducing. Somehow the story bout soy sticked and soy became the devil, yet the one about betacarotene and lung cancer didn't and people are not worried about carrots. Whole soy or food prepared with soy such as tofu, soy milk is protective. Extracting a component is a very different process. More here nutritionfacts.org/video/is-soy-healthy-for-breast-cancer-survivors/

RejectedAgain · 28/11/2020 19:58

@LeGrandBleu

Thank you so much that was very helpful. I haven't seen a geneticist yet. I was supposed to in may this year, mostly so they could explain it all to me, but then covid hit and it was cancelled.

I haven't considered having my children tested, they are 12 and 6 and they don't show any markers whatsoever.

In terms of my cancer scare, since March I've had 6 lipomas appear and they are growing rapidly. There is also one in the gynae region which they want to do a biopsy on due to other markers. I also have one on my back which is quite painful and you can see it through close fitting clothing.

I'm really quite scared to be honest as all I know about NF1 is the cancer risk, and given that both my dads sisters died of breast cancer before 60 my risk of cancer is elevated even more.

I already follow a vegetarian diet, but by the sound of things a vegan diet might be beneficial but not using soya, if I've understood you correctly.

Did you say the lipomas can shrink?

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LeGrandBleu · 28/11/2020 20:32

First of all, they are called neurofibromas and yes they can
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5537897/ scroll down to pictures.
Second, there are several types of neurofibromas:

  • cutaneous neurofibromas, the ones on your skin that can stay flat or grow
-subcutaneous neurofibromas , hard lumps under your skin which you can feel and touch and are painful if pressed -
  • atypical neurofibromas, which are internal, deeper in your body and you can't feel or see
-plexiform neurofibromas which are a group of nerve tumours that causes masses that are disfiguring and debilitating. One is born with a plexiform, so don't worry about this one.

Only the last two types can become cancerous, so if you have cutaneous ones that are growing it is very distressing, but there is no danger to your life.

You should request a breast MRI which is now the recommended diagnostic tool for us.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6998847/

A vegetarian or vegan diet the is not focused on the first 3 letters VEG but is rich in processed food, pasta, pizza, crisps, chips, biscuits, ice cream, snacks, sweets, .... is not a good one.
Instead of a label, think about great variety and diversity of vegetables (aim at 20 different veggies per week, not the usual 5), with a focus on those with anti cancer properties.

A vegan diet requires planning and supplementing or you will become malnourished. I did courses, bought nutrition books, had a dietician revised my diet and still became malnourished, because nutrients can be present in a food, but your body's ability to extract them and use/convert them is often taken for granted.

What you can do, is to start cleaning your pantry and fridge. Everything that has sugar listed= out, processed oil = out, white flour called wheat flour=out, even if there add bran to be able to call it while, if you have worries about breast cancer, all dairy should be out to.

One shouldn't change diet without talking to a doctor. I did, and have regular bloods, that's how I found out about my deficiencies.

Soya is beneficial. So is flaxseed.

I can recommend books and resources if you want.

RejectedAgain · 28/11/2020 20:43

@LeGrandBleu yes please to resources. Thank you so much, you've been more helpful to me, a stranger, than my own doctors. They openly admitted they know nothing about it hence why they want me to see a geneticist. I'm tempted to pay myself rather than go through the NHS

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LeGrandBleu · 28/11/2020 20:59

My geneticist is useless and the Nf1 clinic is a just a name to say that on one morning a month they see nf1 patients, but my geneticist treats Huntington, cystic fibrosis, Duchenne, ... and so many more diseases, that her knowledge is very outdated.
You will found out that most doctors still use this book drive.google.com/file/d/1MO7A4jemxJXA-HOzZNnDusrx557O4_Bc/view click to download for free, a book written by the most famous NF1 doctor, Bruce Korf. Too bad the book was written in ....1983, then slightly changed for this second edition in 2005.
Given the massive advances in our understanding in genetics, epigenetic in 15 years, and all the things we now know, I consider it criminal. So outdated, it makes me cringe.
BUT, it explains the gene part well.
Korf belongs to the old school " wait for problems before intervening". Now we know this is a very bad idea in nf1, because once the problem is here, often it is too late www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6998847/

Why do I still give you the book? so you get familiar with the jargon of Nf1 and you and your doctors will have read the same book.
Wait for the NHS geneticist, since the appointment might disappoint you.
A lot of the resources and websites have still old datas, so you will need to become familiar with Pubmed www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ the medical library.
Australia and I presume UK since we follow you, are so behind compared to France and Scandinavia in the care they offer.

The literature on nf1 is very scarce, so who designing my diet , I looked at the one for the BRCA1 women.

NoraEphronsNeck · 28/11/2020 21:34

@BIWI

Sadly exercise really doesn't make that much difference to weight loss.

I'm sorry to hear that you're in the middle of a cancer scare.

Why don't you come and join us on Bootcamp? A low carb way of eating that should be positive for you, not just from the perspective of weight loss but also better health.

I can vouch for BIWI's bootcamp. It's a really great supportive thread and a very inclusive community.

I'm 5ft 1 and I've gone from 16st 2lbs in May to current weight of 13st 7lbs. And still sticking to it.

LeGrandBleu · 29/11/2020 01:25

Things are never easy and uncomplicated when it comes to the human body.
There is strong suggestion that a low carb diet might not be a healthy solution in the long term, especially not for anyone with a cancer inducing syndrome

www.escardio.org/The-ESC/Press-Office/Press-releases/Low-carbohydrate-diets-are-unsafe-and-should-be-avoided

BIWI · 29/11/2020 08:19

There's so much conflicting stuff about diets!

That said, I would obviously never recommend to anyone with a serious illness or condition without them taking medical advice.

LeGrandBleu · 02/12/2020 05:34

I don't think there is conflicting facts, on the opposite there is quite a wide consensus on two points.

  1. a healthy diet, be it a healthy low carb with no more than 20gr of carb or a healthy low fat, no more than 20 gr of fat /day have equal value and healthy is the key word ; healthy being no added sugars, no refined grains and plenty of vegetables , then to this core you either opt for 20 gr of carb or 20 gr of fat, the results are equals. Some will lose on low carb, other will gain and the same applies to low fat, some will lose other will gain.
    It is the healthy part that counts. Because a crappy diet , be it crappy low fat with processed food or a crappy low carb with the processed food are both equally bad. Christopher Gardner has proven it to death both on clinical intervention and clinical observation.
    Of course if you compare a junky diet with either a healthy low carb or a healthy low fat, the healthy one will always win.

  2. No diet is right for everyone. Some , and there is no way to determine who just by lab or gene test, will do better on a low carb, other on a low fat. Independently from blood sugar or other markers. Your ancestry plays a role, your gut microbiome and other metabolic processes. One size doesn't fit all.

What is right for everyone is getting rid of processed, ultra-processed and other manipulated food items, with sweeteners and other other artificial additives. Because now we know that the gut bacteria are at the origin of the yo-yo effect, and if you alter your gut microbiome while dieting with high volume of vegetables, you will change the species and avoid the regain.

IF one counts obsessively the carbs or the fats, to be safe , one will opt for low-carb / low fat industrial products because they come with a label. One might respect the carb/fat target but completely damage the microbiome .

Any weightloss diet that is healthy - no added sugar, no refined grains, and I might add, no industrial oils, with plenty of vegetables - can be successful, no matter if low carb or low fat.

When it comes to looking at the science, anyone who sells a program, book, memberships, podcast, .... will present the science that echoes its business plan, and you have so many on every single camp, but each will always oppose their plan vs a crappy opposite plan.

So it is important to step away from " sellers" and look at uni professor who don't take one side.
"Perhaps the biggest takeaway from this study, Gardner said, is that the fundamental strategy for losing weight with either a low-fat or a low-carb approach is similar. Eat less sugar, less refined flour and as many vegetables as possible. Go for whole foods, whether that is a wheatberry salad or grass-fed beef. "

Each should follow the program that suits better their taste and instinct, but not something manufactured in a factory

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