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Critique my diet

24 replies

Petalflowers · 22/03/2019 20:40

Really really struggling to loose weight. Please can you critique my diet and give me tips.

Breakfast - porridge (50g) and 300ml milk (full fat)
- sugar free Alpen at weekend (and occasionally if running late)

Lunch - sweet pot, chicken and salad (or ham)
- sandwich , ham and salad ( on a non- hungry dayi’ll Eat one slice of bread, hungry day two slices)

Eve - chicken and veg

  • sphag Bol (5% mince) (made with passata, not jars of sauce) Fish and veg Mushroom pizza (large mushrooms with tomato paste, cheese, herbs etc) and sweet potato roasted

Sunday roast

Snacks - apples, fruit, raw carrot

Drinks - water

  • maybe one cocoa a week made with milk

Wine - 2-3 glasses per weekend

I’m prone to osteoporosis. Had breast cancer six years ago, and meds put the weight on.

Been trying to loose weight for last few years.

Don’t drink tea or coffee.

Ant tips gratefully received.

OP posts:
nanbread · 22/03/2019 22:15

Do you need to lose weight? How much? Is your weight a concern?

We don't know your portion sizes, what veg you're eating, how many snacks, what kind of bread etc. Or how active you are.

You could drink a bit less, drink skimmed milk, eat less bread, if you really needed to.

But overall it sounds like a fairly balanced, realistic diet without shite.

recklessgran · 22/03/2019 22:26

Might be a bit too carb heavy. Try swapping porridge/alpen for a couple of scrambled eggs and grilled tomatoes/mushrooms. Cut the bread if you can to a max of one slice a day preferably wholemeal. In fact, cut pasta, bread and potatoes to a minimum. If you are over 50 that is the only sure way to lose weight in my experience. Have you tried counting calories? I only lose weight if I cut calories to about 800. [I'm not very active though and have a desk job.] Good luck OP, it'd difficult until you can work out what works for you as we are all different.

weekendsleep · 22/03/2019 22:34

@Petalflowers

  1. Ensure you're using plain oats, no flavoured sugary crap. Use a dairy free milk- coconut tastes great from the Koko brand or use a fat free milk.

  2. Add some blueberries, banana, whatever fruit you like to your porridge as well as 3-5 nuts like almonds/brazils.

  3. Only drink black coffee or coffee without sweetners/sugar, low fat milk if you have to.

  4. Stick to only water.

I would really suggest going down the plant based route, loads of veggies, low fat- only good fats when you have them like avocado, wholegrain carbs, no dairy, no meat, lean plain fish can be good if you have to have a kind of meat product.

Stay away from added sugars, most jar sauces like pasta sauce make a sugar free version now, same with ketchup.

Blondie1984 · 23/03/2019 05:22

What sort of bread and pasta are you having?

Much depends on your portion sizes, how much you are snacking etc but switching to semi skimmed would be a good first step

Also your intake of calcium rich foods is really low - worrying given you mention osteoporosis...

Petalflowers · 23/03/2019 21:24

Thank you for all your replies.

I’m about 5”7 and weigh 13 1/2 stone. Would like to loose three stone.

I changed from muesli to oats to reduce carbs. I use Scottish rolled oats, not the flavoured oats, and add (defrosted) frozen fruit. I don’t used jar pasta sauces.

Haven’t considered coconut milk. Does it contain calcium? I have the beginnings of osteoporosis so have to be careful. Will consider it.

Giving up sugar isn’t too bad for me. Giving up carbs is harder.

What other foods have calcium in, apart from cheese?

Thanks to everyone for replying.

OP posts:
mirage937 · 23/03/2019 21:41

Id stick with normal milk as the non-dairys are lower in protein and only some are fortified with calcium. Broccoli and Cabbage both considered sources of calcium

when i want to reduce carbs i bulk out a lot with vegetables so if i was having spaghetti i would reduce spaghetti to 1/3 portion and add the rest either courgetti, butternut squash noodles or carrot spaghetti

recklessgran · 23/03/2019 21:45

Seafood, nuts, tofu, leafy green vegetables are an alternative source of calcium to dairy products OP. Honestly think that you're going to have to do something more drastic than switching muesli for oats to get the results you want.
I think you should try calorie counting for a few weeks. It took me a long time to work out how many calories I needed to eat in order to lose weight. [Similar height and weight to you funnily enough.]
You have my utmost sympathy and support as God knows this weight loss lark is so complicated! Good luck OP.

Knitclubchatter · 23/03/2019 22:32

i would also suggest calorie counting for a while as it's hard to judge based on what you've posted.
then you work out your tdee, and aim for a 500 calorie deficit.
it might not sound like a great way to spend two weeks but once you figure out this important piece then it gets much easier finding nourishing and satisfying substitutes.

SurgeHopper · 24/03/2019 01:10
  1. Download MFP to see how much you are actually consuming.
  2. Be brutally honest about your diet : what's in the roast dinner? Any other treats?
  3. Have you considered low carb? I couldn't lose off porridge tbh.
Blondie1984 · 24/03/2019 02:05

You don't have to cut out carbs -or any food groups for that matter -to achieve your goal - it's all about moderation - the most important thing is that you're in a calorie deficit.

An observation - you didn't mention fruit with breakfast in your original post ….makes me wonder what else you are having but didn't note above....e.g. butter in your sandwich, are you having dressing on your salad? what exactly is your salad made up of - e.g. are you having potato salad/coleslaw , are you cooking your evening meals in oil? how much and what sort of cheese are you having on your pizza?
You really need to go down to the small details and make sure you are on top of everything you're having - the odd biscuit here and banana there can make quite a difference.

If you don't have a dairy allergy you don't need to switch to plantbased milk - it's more expensive and isn't as rich in vitamins and minerals as cow's milk is - just try and move to semi-skimmed

In terms of other sources of calcium - yoghurt, cottage cheese, Quark, fish (especially ones with soft bones in like sardines), tofu, spinach, kale....however if your doctor has diagnosed you with early onset osteoporosis then surely he/she has mentioned calcium supplements? I have osteopenia and am on supplements.....

Dontgiveamonkeys1350 · 24/03/2019 04:03

I agree with others on here that have suggest calorie counting for a while. Seriously. Unless you count you have no idea what u are eating. And it builds up so quickly. Even if ur eating healthy, even the fruit and veggies add up

HalfBearOtherHalfCat · 24/03/2019 05:23

I would agree with the suggestion of MyFitnessPal. I have spent the last couple of years trying to lose a bit of weight, with minimal success even though I have always eaten pretty healthily without much processed food or take out.

I signed up for MFP in mid-January this year and have lost 18lb so far. I still need to lose a lot more, but for the first time I feel like I can see what I need to do to keep on losing.

Weighing or measuring and recording absolutely everything I consume has been a huge eye-opener, and I have come to realize that my problem really was not what I ate, but the amount of it I put away.

Graphista · 24/03/2019 05:50

"You don't have to cut out carbs -or any food groups for that matter -to achieve your goal - it's all about moderation - the most important thing is that you're in a calorie deficit." This. I don't believe in cutting out food groups. All the different foods we have generally work together to aid absorption and use of the nutrients

"An observation - you didn't mention fruit with breakfast in your original post ….makes me wonder what else you are having but didn't note above....e.g. butter in your sandwich, are you having dressing on your salad?" Exactly what I thought on reading op.

Op I've lost weight with ww but I've also attended other groups and have since leaving ww continued to lose

It's simple but not easy.

You need to be eating fewer calories than you use but to do that you first need to work out how many you use and how many you eat.

One persons "just a spag Bol" can be 50-75g (177 - 266 cals) pasta, 150g lean mince (186 cals), diced veg (veg has minimal calories) , sauce made fresh with tinned toms/passata, onions, garlic, herbs, (again minimal cals) all made with no or a very small amount of oil and no cheese on top - so prob around 500-600 cals total.

Another's can be 200g pasta (710 cals) 300g non lean meat (876 cals) high cal jarred sauce (480 in half jar dolmio) or a fresh made one but made with lots of oil, 100g cheddar grated over (402 cals) = 2468 cals!

One is 5 times more cals than the other yet both people would say they "just had a spag Bol"

That's a LOT of full fat milk on the porridge! 186 cals right there. Plus fruit can be quite high cal so you need to track that

I'm definitely in ww mindset but honestly all ww, slimming world and others who use "points" systems are doing is make it easier to count cals as their "point" will roughly equate to X amount of cals, and as you can see cals numbers are in hundreds/thousands for relatively small amounts of food so it's quicker and easier on a daily basis to go say

2 slices bread = 2 points
Slice ham = 1 point
15g butter = 2 points
Tomatoes = ww & most slimming clubs say most low cal veg are "free" and aren't given points values. This is because they tend to be v low cal anyway and to encourage members to eat more veg which is healthier and fills you up without you consuming loads of cals.

So a ham & tomato sandwich is easily calculated to be 5 points, easy to work out easy to remember and/or note down.

You're allotted a set amount of points according to height, weight, sex to be able to use each day and it's also easier if working in low simple numbers to deduct from your allowance. So if you've 25 points a day, deducting 5 for that sandwich means you know you have 20 points left and that's easy to remember.

But yes I learnt from ww and others that:

Potatoes are not the only calorific veg! Peas, beans, sweetcorn and others are also shockingly high.

Portion creep (gradually inc portion size without realising) is a bugger to avoid

That every little thing DOES count (I mean I knew this really I just had it drummed into me!)

That being overly strict is self defeating and unsustainable. We need a certain amount of cals not only to function but also to avoid cravings hitting!

Looking at yours (and I'm no expert) I'd suggest

Properly tracking everything you eat and drink (lots of ww members drank a lot of their calories and I don't mean alcohol, quite often new members were shocked how many cals in fresh juice, milk, takeaway coffees etc it'd often be a lightbulb moment "ohhhhhh my god! I've been DRINKING 40 points a week just in juice!")

Reducing the milk in your porridge and perhaps switching to semi skimmed

Depending how much and what fruit you're having in it you could switch to lower cal options and less of.

369 cals per 100g in the sugar free Alpen is still pretty high! 2 weetabix is only 136 cals. It's one of those foods marketed as "healthy" which really isn't.

Lunch - depends on how much sweet potato, what bread, is there butter/mayo on the sandwich? Most people don't have them "dry" and lots of people use more "spread" than they think they are. How much and what kind of ham.

Spag bol already covered but similar applies to chicken/fish with veg - how much of each item? What veg? Sauce? Seasoning? How are you cooking?

Pizza - how much of base? Cheese? Any oil used?

Sunday roast - like the spag Bol can vary greatly in cals! You could have a healthy one with small amounts of the high cal items, cooked healthily, lots of low cal veg like carrots and broccoli, not swimming in gravy or could be an unhealthy one loaded with high cal meat, loads of roast potatoes, roast parsnips, yorkshire puds made with loads of oil or even goose fat or lard, large portion stuffing, chutneys or high cal sauces like cranberry sauce and similar to the spag Bol example the calories difference can be huge.

Drinks exactly what's in the cocoa? Made with milk makes it probably quite high cal too, wine - how big are the glasses?! I have wine glasses (Bordeaux) that can hold up to half a bottle!

Snacks - fruit is quite high cal, I like carrot sticks, celery, pepper sticks, raw mushrooms, sugar free ice poles (the joys of hormones), low fat yogurts, nuts and seeds occasionally

Meals - veg is the biggest part (I'm veggie though so this may be easier for me) sensible portion of carbs and protein, mostly home made sauces like yourself.

Breakfasts - weetabix with skimmed milk or small bowl shreddies or toast with a little butter and marmite or a little bit of jam or marmalade (you can have high cal things and lose weight just not often and not big portions)

Drinks - mostly water, I like sparkling gives it a bit of taste and very refreshing, sugar free fizzy (but not often and no caffeine), sugar free squash, occasionally in winter a hot choc (I like options which I make up with water and a splash of milk) or a black coffee, very rarely (as on my meds I'm not supposed to - not harmful just I feel the effects much quicker) special occasions a wee glass wine or rum & Ginger.

I'm still overweight but I'm also still losing - and that's even with being housebound and unable to exercise.

Goatrider · 24/03/2019 11:47

Have some non carb breakfasts eg eggs or Greek yogurt.

Don't have carbs at lunch if you've had them at breakfast.

Don't snack

Only have 2 meals on a Sunday if you're having a roast dinner

Make sure you have a long gap, I think 12 hours is recommended, between dinner and breakfast.

Petalflowers · 27/03/2019 20:23

Hi all, thanks for your replies.

I have now signed on on Myfitness’ app, and have tracked food for two days.

It’s making me think differently. On SW etc, fruit and veg are ‘free’ so you can eat lots. On MPA you’re more restricted.

It gives me a daily allowance of 1400 to loose 1lb per week. Don’t think I could survive on 800 calories!

How do people use MFA? Do you input all your foods first, to see what you can eat, or do it retrospectively? It was a fiddle putting every last onion in my homemade bolognese into the app (a Little pasta, lots of cauliflower rice).

I’ve changed to semi skimmed milk.

Hopefully this will work.

Appreciate all your help.

OP posts:
raisinsraisins · 27/03/2019 20:53

When I’ve done MFP I didn’t log veg. However, I logged all fruit, and potatoes, sweetcorn and avocado.

UrsulaPandress · 27/03/2019 21:02

I’m like you. Our on weight due to breadth cancer meds but I was your weight when I started! Ive loads to lose and my doctor has suggested 16:8.

UrsulaPandress · 27/03/2019 21:24

Damned autocorrect

kayakingmum · 27/03/2019 21:35

Could you up the excercise you do?
I think your diet sounds quite good.
You definitely don't eat extra stuff?

Plumplump · 27/03/2019 21:45

Rh fitness on Facebook are great for nutrition advice. Remember it is calories in v calories out. So all this go carb light, sugar free isn't hugely necessary unless you have a health condition. Energy in v energy spent is what it boils down to. I would recommend adding some weights into your workout if you can as this will change your body shape.

Oysterbabe · 28/03/2019 05:12

The only thing that's ever worked for me long term was intermittent fasting. There are lots of good books about it if you want to learn more about the science behind it. The Obesity Code is very good.

I did put a couple of stone back on when I stopped doing it while pregnant and went back to snacking all day. I'm prone to insulin resistance so snacking is the worst thing for me.

Bleary3000 · 28/03/2019 05:21

Personally, i'd ditch the bread and porridge, add in more eggs, cheese and fish, see if that helps curb appetite. Dont swap for skimmed milk, that's just sugary water, opt for whole so you're getting your fat and protein.

Fatted · 28/03/2019 05:30

Good luck OP.

I know you said you would prefer not to go low carb, but I really have found this is what works best for me. I lose quicker, but also I find I'm a lot less hungry and don't have the cravings that brings. If I ate porridge for breakfast I'd be starving within an hour and with a sandwich for lunch I'd be ready to pass out by the time I got home from work. If I have something like eggs or beans for breakfast, I'm not hungry until lunch time and then a nice big salad with meat or fish keeps me going until 7pm and the lids have gone to bed.

I definitely do prefer things like Weight watchers and slimming world. They are expensive compared to my fitness pal, but they do make the whole process easier and tell you more about how you can get more food for your calories. Whereas I find calorie counting by itself just encourages people to eat less when they need to eat better.

Babygrey7 · 28/03/2019 13:55

That sounds similar to how I eat for maintaining

but I walk the doge every day (45 mins) and do cardio 5x a week (1hr)

How much exercise do you do?

Personally. I'd rather eat carbs and do exercise than not eat carbs Grin

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