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Anyone here reading "The End of Overeating"?

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HereComesSpring · 13/08/2010 00:47

Or is there already a thread on this which i have missed?

I think it is brilliant and describes my eating behaviour perfectly. Anyone else? Anyone want to talk about it?

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EveWasFramed72 · 13/08/2010 09:34

I haven't read it, but I'd be interested to hear about it; I've been doing lots of reading on overeating, and it's been really interesting and valuable stuff...has completely changed the way I look at food now, and has changed the way I am trying to lose a little bit of weight.

So...fill me in on this one!!

HereComesSpring · 13/08/2010 21:04

Hi, Eve and a BUMP all round for this topic.

Don't know if you are still out there Eve, and not sure i can summarise this very comprehensive book. I'll try... Umm, so, very briefly:

Kessler's books divides into sections:
First a description of the brain chemistry at work as we think about and eat food. This includes the dopamine circuitry, the role of serotonin, the opiate circuitry and others. It explains how these various functions, which all have a valuable evolutionary role, have in many cases been disrupted by modern western lifestyles, including the constant availability of food, the social role of food and, perhaps above all, the kind of food that is now available to us.

The next section describes how the food industry exploits these functions and has learnt to highly process food and to layer it with sugar, fat and salt in combinations which many are almost helpless to resist. There are some almost enjoyably grotesque descriptions of what really goes into the most seductive fast food.

Kessler then describes what he calls "conditioned hypereating". This is a phenomenon which he believes has emerged in many, many of us as a result of the coming together of our neurochemistry with the Western food industry. (His description exactly sums up my relationship with food). He stops short of calling this an illness but he makes a plea for it to be taken very seriously as he sees it as the key to a great deal of the obesity epidemic in the West.

I found it wonderful to see my behaviour described with real sympathy and understanding (he says that he is a conditioned hypereater himself, albeit a largely reformed one), but with a very pragmatic approach to treatment.

Te final section (which i am in the middle of) sets out the guidelines for self-treatment. I think these are probably rather similar to treatment plans for many other compulsive behaviours.

Kessler is a senior academic and throughout the book his claims are backed up with endless references to serious and well-regarded research. It is definitely not a pappy self-help con, but a serious piece of research and analysis.

Phew! So anyone tempted to read it?

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HereComesSpring · 13/08/2010 21:07

Having said all that about it being serious and academic, I should say that it is written in layman's terms with a nice, friendly manner. -Don't be put off!

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Rillyrillygoodlooking · 14/08/2010 09:52

It sounds like an enlightening book. However, at this point in yet another cycle of eating as much as I can, and feeling like crap, I just want to know how to stop!

Do you think that the information given helps to stop eating rubbish food?

I am reading the Beck Diet Solution, which is cognitive behavioural therapy techniques specifically aimed at changing your relationship with food. Beck does allude to the fact that we have evolved to eat as much as we can and our current food production techniques aren't compatible with that.

Most of the Diet Solution is based on our emotional relationship with food though, for example, changing the attitude of "I have had one biscuit so I might as well have the rest of the packet" if you slip up on a diet.

Would be good to read "overeating" in conjuction with "diet solution" I think.

gotareason · 14/08/2010 16:58

I am reading 'Overcoming Overeating' - I thought it was quite academic but looking at the description of 'end of overeating' I think this book is less detailed. I am finding it a revelation anyway but also having to accept that there is no easy solution (something I always cling to despite all common sense) and that it will be a long process. All the same, I feel a lot more confident that I will get there in the end.

The basic principles seem to be: accepting yourself, making a vow never to diet again because it just perpetuates the vicious cycle of binging/dieting and identifiying what real hunger feels like so you can begin to satisfy it. The last one is proving the hardest for me because I tend to 'graze' all day rather than have massive binges so I am hardly ever actually hungry.

EveWasFramed72 · 14/08/2010 17:00

Thank you, HereComesSpring...I would definitely be interested in checking that out...I love books like this...where you can see yourself in much of the discussion, I think it's more 'self help' that way. And, I always like the evidence based stuff.

I've read three good overeating books: Beyond Chocolate, Fat is a Feminist Issue and Overcoming Overeating. It mainly addresses the fact that diets fail, and always will. That we have to re-learn how to feed ourselves, and listen to what our bodies are asking for. Really amazing stuff, and so easy, but we aren't 'built' that way anymore!

Anyway...I will come back soon...I will try to get a hold of a copy of The End of Overeating, and let you know what I think!
Thanks...

HereComesSpring · 14/08/2010 22:34

Hi everyone. Some of the books you describe do sound like they may contain much of the same information. I have never read anything on these topics as i have only just acknowledged that i have a big problem with eating ( massive capacity for self-deception!) so it is all a big revelation to me.

A lot of it probably describes ideas that others will come to intuitively or through other books, but I find it a relief to have my habits explained in a scientific context like this. As the author says, it means that we do not have to feel ashamed of or responsible for our susceptibility to these eating habits. -But we are responsible for what we do about them. (This mirrors the stance of Alcoholics Anon apparently.)

It wouldn't necessarily be the right book for everyone who wants to lose weight, but i'm sure it would be valuable for anyone who eats in a compulsive way.

Well i do hope someone decides to read it. Kessler talks about the value of support while attempting to break the bad habits. I feel too ashamed to share this with the people around me and i was hoping there might be some MNs out there who wanted to buddy up Smile...

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EveWasFramed72 · 15/08/2010 11:21

I know what you mean about the shame...and it is very important to find support to overcome it, especially in a culture that is so heavily into the diet industry. Also, talking about it with some of my friends and family has led me to believe that no one else wants to talk about it...it's too difficult for them to accept that they may be struggling with the same issues.

So, I'd be happy to buddy up, Spring! Grin

HereComesSpring · 16/08/2010 01:40

Thanks EveGrin. Must be difficult for you to feel that you are the only one facing up to things.

In my case i really don't think that anyone close to me has this kind of issue.-All ridiculously sorted Envy. Hence the shame I suppose.

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EveWasFramed72 · 16/08/2010 15:02

Ugh @ridiculously sorted...I know that feeling, too!!

It's just hard to talk to people directly around me about it...I don't know why, just weird. I mean, I talk to DH, but he doesn't really 'get it'...it's not an issue for him. So, while he's very supportive, he doesn't understand.

I want to get sorted; I have an almost 3 yo daughter who knows she's beautiful (and she is!), and I never want her to lose that image of herself. The day she looks at me and says 'I'm fat, mummy' will just break my heart...I need to be the healthiest role model I can be for her.

EveWasFramed72 · 16/08/2010 15:06

BTW...I ordered the book today, so will talk more once I've read it...looking forward to it!

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