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Is she ready? ...

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AuntyClimax · 11/05/2009 21:22

DD is not yet 6 months, but she is older than my previous children when they first had food.

She sits up straight, watches us eat, smacks her lips and makes chewing faces.

She grabbed my husbands garlic bread and tried to shove it in her mouth.

I pureed her some carrot and fed her it and she was grinning from ear to ear and ate it.

She was not pushing it out of her mouth but swallowing.

Trouble is she is teething and is crying at night, the night I fed her she did the same but I panicked it was because of the food

So haven't given her more the last 2 days, she is squeling at our dinnerplates.

WWYD?

OP posts:
AuntyClimax · 11/05/2009 21:56

ello?

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bigchris · 11/05/2009 21:58

if she is 26 weeks I'd go for it

AuntyClimax · 11/05/2009 22:02

Shes not, like I said, not 6 months yet, but HV said from now is fine.

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bigchris · 11/05/2009 22:03

i'd go for it then, u know ur baby best xxx

seeker · 11/05/2009 22:05

If she is not 26 weeks old she is not ready.

Unless you have x ray vision and can tell that her gut is ready to deal with solid food.

She is probably alos very interested in the steering wheel of the car and your computer keyboard - that doesn't mean she's ready for driving lessons or website design.

AuntyClimax · 11/05/2009 22:12

Thanks Chris, I know.

Just been on this place too much, lol.

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PeppermintPatty · 11/05/2009 22:17

How old is she?

The guidelines are 26 weeks, but it's not like something magical happens to your baby at exactly 26 weeks which makes her ready for food. If there are other physical signs that she's ready and she's very nearly 26 weeks (like 24 or 25 weeks) I'm sure it'll be fine.

LackaDAISYcal · 11/05/2009 22:23

If she is almost 26 weeks and is doing all the stuff you say then she sounds pretty much ready for it imo; if she is only 18 weeks or there abouts I'd be inclined to wait a bit.

The 26 weeks is a catch all; some babies are ready before then as Patty said.

HRHQueenElizabethII · 11/05/2009 22:24

How old is she? I thinking sitting unaided and loss of tongue-thrust reflex are good signs, but they're not the only ones, and I would use age as a decent rule of thumb too.

ThingOne · 11/05/2009 22:28

The advice is "around six months" rather than 26 weeks on the dot. I think they advise not before 20 weeks. Your HV isn't necessarily the person to give the most reliable advice on this. They are not obliged to keep up-to-date.

If she's over 22 weeks or so I'd let her have the odd bit of something simple to play with at mealtimes, such as a steamed piece of broccoli, rather than feeding her. If she's playing with the food not that much will go in.

If she's teething can you give her something cold and interesting to chew on at mealtimes? That she might be fooled by for a bit?

seeker · 11/05/2009 22:29

You know your baby best - but, as I said, you don't know what stage of development her gut is at. Why risk it? Wait til 6 months and be sure.

PeppermintPatty · 11/05/2009 22:38

But seeker I thought that the gut was supposed to develop to match other physical signs - like sitting up, picking up and swallowing food.

This would make evolutionary sense too - if a baby can pick up nearby food and feed it to themselves then they will be physically ready for food in other ways ie. digestive and gut.

I'm sure I've read that somewhere anyway

seeker · 11/05/2009 22:42

But yo don't know for sure. There is NO advantage to early weaning - if you think a baby is hungry then high calorie milk is surely more likely to fill her up than low calorie vegetables. In a normally developing baby the gut is always sealed by 6 months - it could in some be sealed at 4 months - in others 5 months 3 weeks and 6 days. And you can't tell from the outside which category a particular baby fits into. So why risk it? Absolutely no gain - and potential harm.

bigchris · 11/05/2009 22:46

well if it's a choice btw a bottle of formula or an organic carrot i know which i'd choose

LackaDAISYcal · 11/05/2009 22:55

seeker the BLW theory is that a (full term, healthy) baby's nutritional need for food and their developmental ability to feed themself co-incide, so if they are sitting unaided and helping themself and able to move the food from their lips to the back of the mouth and swallow, then they are more than ready......mother nature is hardly likely to have got it wrong, surely!

and as others have said, it's around 26 weeks, not bang on 26 weeks. If the OP feels her baby is ready and the baby is not far off 26 weeks then she should carry on imo.

Pingpong · 11/05/2009 22:59

"She grabbed my husbands garlic bread and tried to shove it in her mouth."
I took that to be the sign that my DD was ready although it was a courgette fritter not garlic bread. She was 5 months.
6 months is a guideline not a hard and fast rule
We did BLW and loved it - still do

seeker · 11/05/2009 23:01
GreenMonkies · 11/05/2009 23:18

The guidelines are just that, guidelines, not rigid rules.

If she can sit up properly in a high chair, with out it being tipped back at all, picks food up and puts it in her mouth and chews and swallows it, she's ready.

Spoon feeding her mush won't tell you if she's ready, she may well just enjoy the new taste and texture. Nature gives babies the ability to eat solid food at the point at which thier gut is developed enough to cope with it.

So put the pureed carrot away, sit her in the high chair and give her some decent sized cooked broccoli florets and cooked carrot sticks and see what she does with them. If she eats them, then she's ready, if she doesn't, she's not! Simple.

It's called Baby Led Weaning by most people.

"This approach to the introduction of solids offers a baby the opportunity to discover what other foods have to offer as part of finding out about the world around him. It utilises his desire to explore and experiment, and to mimic the activities of others. Allowing the baby to set the pace of each meal, and maintaining an emphasis on play and exploration rather than on eating, enables the transition to solid foods to take place as naturally as possible. This is because it would appear that what motivates babies to make this transition is curiosity, not hunger.

There is no reason for mealtimes to coincide with the baby's milk feeds. Indeed, thinking of (milk)feeding and the introduction to solid foods as two separate activities will allow a more relaxed approach and make the experience more enjoyable for both parents and child.

Won't he choke?
Many parents worry about babies choking. However, there is good reason to believe that babies are at less risk of choking if they are in control of what goes into their mouth than if they are spoon fed. This is because babies are not capable of intentionally moving food to the back of their throats until after they have developed the ability to chew. And they do not develop the ability to chew until after they have developed the ability to reach out and grab things. The ability to pick up very small things develops later still. Thus, a very young baby cannot easily put himself at risk because he cannot get small pieces of food into his mouth. Spoon feeding, by contrast, encourages the baby to suck the food straight to the back of his mouth, potentially making choking more likely.

It appears that a baby's general development keeps pace with the development of his ability to manage food in his mouth, and to digest it. A baby who is struggling to get food into his mouth is probably not quite ready to eat it. It is important to resist the temptation to 'help' the baby in these circumstances since his own developmental abilities are what ensure that the transition to solid foods takes place at the right pace for him, while keeping the risk of choking to a minimum.

Tipping a baby backwards or lying him down to feed him solid foods is dangerous. A baby who is handling food should always be supported in an upright position. This ensures that food that he is not yet able to swallow, or does not wish to swallow, will fall forward out of his mouth.

There is no need to cut food into mouth-sized pieces. Indeed, this will make it difficult for a young baby to handle. A good guide to the size and shape needed is the size of the baby's fist, with one important extra factor to bear in mind: Young babies cannot open their fist on purpose to release things. This means that they do best with food that is chip-shaped or has a built-in 'handle' (like the stalk of a piece of broccoli). They can then chew the bit that is sticking out of their fist and drop the rest later ? usually while reaching for the next interesting-looking piece. As their skills improve, less food will be dropped.

DOs and DON'Ts for baby-led introduction of solids

DO offer your baby the chance to participate whenever anyone else in the family is eating. You can begin to do this as soon as he shows an interest in watching you, although he is unlikely to be ready to put food in his mouth until he is about six months.

DO ensure that your baby is supported in an upright position while he is experimenting with food. In the early days you can sit him on your lap, facing the table. Once he is beginning to show skill at picking food up he will almost certainly be mature enough to sit, with minimal support, in a high chair.

DO start by offering foods that are baby-fist-sized, preferably chip-shaped (i.e., with a 'handle'). As far as possible, and provided they are suitable, offer him the same foods that you are eating, so that he feels part of what is going on.

DO offer a variety of foods. There is no need to limit your baby's experience with food any more than you do with toys.

DON'T hurry your baby. Allow him to direct the pace of what he is doing. In particular, don't be tempted to 'help' him by putting things in his mouth for him.

DON'T expect your baby to eat any food on the first few occasions. Once he has discovered that these new toys taste nice, he will begin to chew and, later, to swallow.

DON'T expect a young baby to eat all of each piece of food at first ? remember that he won't yet have developed the ability to get at food which is inside his fist.

DO try rejected foods again later ? babies often change their minds and later accept foods they originally turned down.

DON'T leave your baby on his own with food.

DON'T offer foods which present an obvious danger, such as peanuts.

DON'T offer 'fast' foods, ready meals or foods that have added salt or sugar.

DO offer water from a cup but don't worry if your baby shows no interest in it. A breastfed baby, in particular, is likely to continue for some time to get all the drinks he needs from the breast.

DO be prepared for the mess! A clean plastic sheet on the floor under the high chair will protect your carpet and make clearing up easier. It will also enable you to give back foods that have been dropped, so that less is wasted. (You will be pleasantly surprised at how quickly your baby learns to eat with very little mess!) "

See also this and this.

Does this help??

seeker · 11/05/2009 23:23

BLW is fabulous - I did it with mine before it was called anything and before anyone wrote books about it. But the fact remains that there is NO advantage to weaning a baby before 6 months and a slight but present risk of harm.

The WHO (what does it know!!!) guidelines are getting it in the neck from both ends now - Lentil Weavers and Shell Suit Wearers Unite!

Pingpong · 12/05/2009 00:03

guidelines are guidelines who ever writes them. There is not a magic switch that trips when they are 26 weeks or 6 months that says that baby X is now ready for solids. You look for signs and I truly believe that if a baby can take food to their own mouth then it is ready to start exploring the world of food.

And exploring food is very different to ramming spoons of mush in. . . .

nappyaddict · 12/05/2009 01:01

If she can pick up chunks of food put it in her mouth, chew and swallow it then she is ready. Just cos she tried to put garlic bread into her mouth doesn't mean she is ready. Some babies will be able to put food in the mouth but not necessarily be able to chew and swallow it properly.

seeker · 12/05/2009 07:19

"guidelines are guidelines who ever writes them. "

Of course. But I would expect the WHO to have more expertise in this matter than most!

What I just DON"T understand is why anyone would want to wean early. Yes, the 6 months is just a guideline. But as there are absolutely no benefits from weaning before 6 months, and a possibility - even if a very small one - of harm, why not just wait? This is one of the many things in life that I just don't get!

LackaDAISYcal · 12/05/2009 10:10

seeker you don't "get" BLW and that's your choice, but millions of people the world over have weaned their children in this way for centuries.....it was done like this long before the WHO and NHS and anyone else who mentioned 26 weeks. As I said before mother nature surely hasn't got it wrong and of a baby is willing and able (and this is the crucial point imo) to feed themselves, why stop them doing that? Doesn't make sense to me.

It isn't rocket science to see that a magic switch isn't flicked at 26 weeks and that there are signs and cues that are there when the child is ready and that it's OK to follow those cues. Different from spooning in puree at 16 weeks, but if they are almost 26 weeks and can feed themselves.....

Disenchanted3 · 12/05/2009 10:12

Lentil Weavers and Shell Suit Wearers Unite!

what a twatty comment.

LackaDAISYcal · 12/05/2009 10:14

and yes one could argue that there are no nutritional benefits from weaning early, but we're not talking about three square meals at this early stage are we? they still get most of their nutrition from milk.

However hand eye co-ordination, being able to chew and swallow (and my DS was chewing at 24 weeks) are all developmental things and if they can do those things then surely there is a benefit in improving those skills if they already have them? Weaning isn't just about food.

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