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When to 'Up' meals?

316 replies

MrsMagooo · 12/01/2009 15:47

Hello ladies,

I should know what I'm doing as I have a DD who's 2.6 but my brain has turned to mush lol!!

I started weaning my DS just under 2 weeks ago at just over 21 weeks, I realise this is under the 'guideline' age of 6 months but IMO he honestly did seem ready & he is loving his food.

At the moment he has breakfast (pear or apple mixed in with baby breakfast) & then lunch (so far have tried him on carrot, sweet potato, brocolli carrot & potato, apple & pear. (I make all the purees myself)

Anyway I digress - my question is when would it be ok to 'up' to 3 meals a day??

DS is enjoying his food, he eats very well & still has bottles (he also still wakes in the night to be fed hence we wondering when I can increase to 3 meals) but as I have started weaning before the guidelines I'm unsure as to when it would be ok to increase his meals.

Sorry for the waffle - any advice welcome

OP posts:
FaintlyMacabre · 19/01/2009 11:47

No, I know that, my sense of humour is sometimes a little difficult to read!

Aitch · 19/01/2009 11:48

no no, we x-posted. i know you were having a laugh in the last post.

FaintlyMacabre · 19/01/2009 12:05

Oh good

I have decided to invent a new , ultra-pure weaning method: baby-led-cooking, or possibly shopping, or I suppose it should really be gardening/farmimg or even hunting. Modern life has totally messed up our natural appetites, I want to give little Raindrop the chance to reconnect with his prehistoric instincts. No food until he can kill it himself!

Aitch · 19/01/2009 12:06

i fear Raindrop's will fare badly...

Aitch · 19/01/2009 12:07

Raindrop's what? changed my mind mid-sentence there... should have previewed.

giantkatestacks · 19/01/2009 12:10

lol...but in all seriousness - that means we're doing the same things but I'm feeding the shepherds pie in with a spoon? is that really what it boils down to? and when she stops leaning forward and grabbing it off the spoon then I stop...this is also the point that if you then give her half a banana or a ricecake she just chucks it on the floor.

I still dont get how they are self regulating this balanced diet but will let that go...mine just eats whatever is there when shes hungry and nothing when she isnt - am not sure its connected in any way to her food needs...

Aitch · 19/01/2009 12:18

did you read the links i posted, kate? the clara m davis one is really interesting, but at what the ethical implication of buying orphans to experiment on...

and yes and no wrt the shepherd's pie. self-feeding is imo more than about satisfying a basic nutritional need, it's also about feeling food, tasting and touching it. i suppose you just draw teh line where you want to. i never spoon fed cos i couldn't be bothered and i didn't feel that dd was missing out. i preferred to eat my dinner hot, and to all eat together. who knows what will happen with dd2?

giantkatestacks · 19/01/2009 12:35

yes i know what you mean - and will go back and look at links now as dd just down for a nap...

we do eat together though - dd just gets something defrosted if shes having bowl food - and will have some pasta/rice with it if thats what we are having - and she'll be eating the carbs herself...I would struggle having a meal each night that we could all eat cos the 5 year old is having the same food as us and having it properly seasoned or its sausages and sweetcorn which she cant have etc etc iyswim. oh and I'm not giving her certain foods yet which make it harder and restricting wheat etc.

saying that we all ate macaroni cheese together last night - the dd, the ds, ds' dad, my partner and me and dd half fed herself and half had some spooned in...

DDofaToxicMother · 19/01/2009 12:47

Do you have a food processor? If so sausages are really easy to make so she can have them too.

Can you just add salt at the table for those that want it rather than putting it in the cooking?

Aitch · 19/01/2009 12:47

oh you should give her a try with the sweetcorn if it's on the cob, or when she gets her pincer grip. is this not the best picture ever of a seven-month-old with some corn? lol, i love it.

giantkatestacks · 19/01/2009 12:50

having read it through - do you think bf makes a difference to weaning in that babies are used to different tastes?And in fact doesnt it make them used to controlling their food intake as well so you would have to factor all of that in.

would agree that the lack of control and small sample size would make it impossible to rely on statistically.

interesting though. I am a great believer in self regulation of diet generally - we have full fat everything in our house and lots of butter and generally quite calorific food but none of us are overweight because we only eat when we are hungry - but this means that when we eat we can eat what we like. It also helps that we dont have a car ahem...

really it just boils down to common sense doesnt it?

giantkatestacks · 19/01/2009 12:56

she has got a good pincer grip - she can pick things up off the tray and eat them - I just worry about the sweetcorn and the choking tbh...liking the pic - my ds had arsenal bibs...

Toxic - of course I have a food processor - or I wouldnt be mashing lots of food I do make a lot of food - bread, icecream, cakes, biscuits - in fact my friends take the piss out of me for it but I cant see myself going as far as sausages - mainly cos theres no butchers near me to get hold of organic pork and the morrisons doesnt sell it grr...not to mention skins...and sausages and roasted sweet potato is my easy meal as it all goes in the oven ;-)

I could add salt at the table but for meat its just not right - it ruins a large amount of food...I do add at the table for veg and roasted veg etc but not for meat as it needs to be seasoned when it goes in the pan.

neenztwinz · 19/01/2009 13:09

Wencelas, my DTs are not reliant on me to feed them, their dad can feed them or their grandparents. They go longer between BFs which is great for me, I can go to the football again .

Nappy, yeah the theory is that they will eat the right mix of foods, but it is just a theory, not tested and re-tested etc etc which was the initial argument.

Faintly, I think blw CAN work, and it is great it has worked for you. Maybe if you'd had twins tho you might agree that the problems I had were problems indeed! Yes the blw book quotes a study where babies picked a good mix of foods when offered lots of things, but Rapley admits the study has to be discounted because this the study group was not big enough and it can;t be repeated cos it would be considered unethical now! Very interesting part of the book though. LOL at letting him go hunting

Aitch, the WHO stuff can be used to support both BLW and purees. Yes, I can see where your paed is coming from with the formula thing but the mashed up carrot stage doesn't last long!

And yes Kate you have hit on a very interesting point in that all our babies will just end up eating the same as each other anyway cos once they get to a year or so and can all feed themsleves they will just be eating with the family at each meal, so blw just does this a bit sooner.

neenztwinz · 19/01/2009 13:10

Kate I think you would enjoy the blw book - I certainly did.

giantkatestacks · 19/01/2009 13:15

neenz - probably but dont read any parenting books now - in fact dont have time to read any books at all gah...

well I would do if I wasnt on MN so much

bubbleymummy · 19/01/2009 13:19

Hope this doesn't rock the boat but what about a baby that spoonfeeds itself? DS's first meal was mashed up avocado and we just handed him a spoon and let him go for it! We got some v cute pics! Surely there's not much different in picking up a steamed carrot stick and putting it in your mouth than picking up a spoon with some mashed/puree whatever on the end of it and putting it in your mouth? But would that fall into puree feeding or BLW?

wenceslasmyeducation · 19/01/2009 13:24

That's BLW bubbleymummy!

bubbleymummy · 19/01/2009 13:31

Thanks wenceslas! I wasn't sure because DS did eat quite a few things that were mashed/pureed which would suggest puree fed obviously - but he used a spoon. We didn't really stick to babyled tho because we did feed him a few times ourselves. Oh well! We'll see what happens with the next one.

nappyaddict · 19/01/2009 13:32

The common misconception is BLW = finger food only and spoons aren't allowed AT ALL. BLW is BLW whether baby self feeds with mashed up stuff, soup, chunks of finger food, with a spoon, with a fork, with their fingers.

pispirispis · 19/01/2009 14:18

My dd is teething and has a cold so hhaven't been able to reply to Maria and Neenz earlier!

Kate ? I?m sure you are dreading May, but just remember it?s still a long time from now in baby terms, your lo will probably be eating 3 balanced meals no prob by then!

Neenz ? apology accepted! As you say, formula is a ?close second? to breast milk, so imo there?s no reason why formula milk shouldn?t be the main source of nutrition for a baby in the first year. Moreover, Aitch has since posted a quote from the WHO that food should ?complement? milk. But of course, we can agree to disagree

I was very disappointed to ff, but I told myself to get over it, especially as I have such a happy, healthy (and strong!!) dd! So when I was deciding whether or not to do BLW I did worry that maybe it would be bad for my dd to be drinking a lot of formula and not eating much in the way of solids, but after reading about so many success stories of ff BLW babies, I gave it a go. And again, I told myself to ?catch myself on? as we say in Northern Ireland, as formula is a ?close second? to bm and has made my dd the wonderful round bouncy baby she is today.

Also, I think peope who don?t BLW get the idea that BLW babies are just waving bits of carrot about and not actually eating anything for months, but that?s not true. My 8.5 month dd eats quite a lot now! And so does my BLW friend?s 9.5 month ds. And I?ve read about lots of babies eating quite a lot at that age. So, Maria you?d said that Neenz ?was talking about well into the 1st year, e.g. at 9 months, 10 months etc.? ? a great many BLW babies seem to be eating plenty by then. Of course you read the ?Help, my baby won?t eat!? threads, but then of course that?s why their worried mums are posting, people don?t tend to post ?Help, my baby?s eating really well!? Plus, babies who don't want to eat solids would most likely be refusing the spoon too!

As for balanced meals and variety, I offer my dd a variety of carbs/veg/protein/fruit at every meal. Sometimes she eats loads of fruit, sometimes, loads of veg (she is obsessed with green beans at the mo!) and sometimes all she wants is beans and cheese and yoghurt. Personally I offer her the veg first, which isn?t very ?pure? BLW, but if I give her all her food at once she just chucks it on the floor. So we start with veg, and end with fruit. At the minute she eats what I would call a good small meal at each sitting (like eg. half a weetabix and half a banana for breakfast more or less) and she has 3-4 bottles a day totaling 20-25oz. So she has a good amount of milk. So in no way should I be worried about her ?getting enough? in terms of nutrition, and it seems her intake of solids definitely ?complements? her milk intake. And I?ve seen people on the puree thread posting their routines and mine?s really similar to theirs, so maybe the BLW way of doing things isn?t as different from yours as you think...?

Sorry for waffling on, just wanted to show you a real life example that BLW does not mean your baby is waving a baton of carrot around for a whole year while surviving only on milk.

BTW I saw on the puree thread that someone said a lot of "bollocks' was being said on this thread. I think that's untrue and unfair, and you don't see any BLW so-called "militia" saying that anyone's talking "bollocks".

giantkatestacks · 19/01/2009 14:42

PPP thats miserable isnt it - teething and a cold - why do they so often go together - does the teething lower the immune system grr...

Aitch · 19/01/2009 14:55

there really isn't anything that's 'pure' blw to my mind, i really do think that's a distortion of what is just supposed to be a fairly pleasant way to wean your baby. i certainly gave my dd her veggies first if they were ready and cooling first. broccoli's great for that, seems to cool down really quickly while everything else is getting dished up.

pispirispis · 19/01/2009 15:04

Kate - yes, poor dd is pretty miserable at the mo Nappy change? Cue loads of tears.. Try to clean snotty nose at least a wee bit as v encrusted? Cue loads more tears.

Aitch good to know I'm not the only one who gives veggies first! Sorry, "pure" BLW sounds weird, doesn't it, very strict or extreme or something - not a very good way of putting it! As a relative newbie to BLW I wondered if I should be offering everything together and letting dd choose, but of course now I've learnt that if she doesn't want something she doesn't eat it, even if presented alone - doh!

Aitch · 19/01/2009 15:20

oh god no, i never let her choose, lol. well, i do and i don't. we are in charge, at the end of the day, we put the food out there in the first place. plus, when dd was younger she'd get overwhelmed if you put more than a couple of things on her tray at the one time and flick 'em off anyway so there couldn't be much choice.

neenztwinz · 19/01/2009 15:24

Pispiri, I laughed at 'Help my baby's feeding well!' . It sounds like blw is going really well for you.

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