One year old and cows milk

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I feel silly for asking as I have a 6 year old so I’ve done all of this before… although we never had issues with our now 6 year old DD.

Our one year old DD has been on formula until a few days ago - we’ve switched to cows milk. We give her a total of 21 ounces of cows milk, and she’ll have one and a half weetabix for breakfast, some fruit as a snack, a hot meal with meat and veggies for lunch, then a biscuit and a few puffs as a snack then a yoghurt and more fruit at tea time. She sometimes moans during the day so we’ll give her more baby biscuits and bits of fruit/veg if we think she’s hungry.

the thing is, she ate this amount when she was having formula (same amount of ounces) and she was fine. She’s always slept right through the night since 8 weeks old and always settled herself to sleep in her cot since 6 months old and it’s only the formula switching to cows milk that we’ve changed and suddenly she cries for an hour now before settling down to sleep and now wakes up sometimes in the night or wakes up an hour earlier than usual.

do you think she’s hungry and we should switch back to formula? Do you think maybe cows milk disagrees with her?

Why is she not having a proper evening meal too? She should be offered 3 proper meals at this age.

From 1 year they only need about 300/350mls of milk so you could maybe try offering more food rather than giving so much milk.

I actually switched gradually one feed at a time rather than swapping over all at once.

@SunnySaturdayMorning @dementedpixie brilliant, thank you! I’ll give her three proper meals and reduce the milk.

Why were you not giving your child any tea?! That's madness! There's no need for her to have 600ml of milk, that's a hell of a lot. My 18 month old eats nearly as much as my 5 year old! He only has milk at bedtime now or if he asks for some in the day time.

@YouAndMeAndThem I thought yoghurt, fruit and then some vegetables and snacks in the evening on top of what she was having, was enough. She’s 91 percentile for her weight, so didn’t think she was being underfed in fact was wondering if we were over-feeding her.

I’ve already had someone question why I wasn’t giving her three meals and I’ve just stated that’s now what I’m going to do. I came on here for advice as I want to do what’s right for my baby. I didn’t come on here for mum-shaming from a perfect parent who clearly has never put a foot wrong 😑

if I didn’t care and didn’t need help/guidance, I wouldn’t have posted the question in the first place. It’s clear I didn’t realise and have said I will now adjust this.

Don’t you have a shrine with a massive picture of yourself that you need to go and polish or something?

Cow's milk is for baby cows. There is zero need for your child to have it. At a year old your child doesn't even need your breast milk, let alone that of another species'.

Way to much milk try and get as much food in as u can I made the same mistake with my 1st and I defo will not be doing it again with my 6month old I'm not mum shaming at all try giving water x

@kirsty2023 we didn’t realise we’d made any mistakes with our first as she was always settled and content and when you read online, it states at 1 a child should have 16-24 ounces of cows milk and no more than 24, so we thought 18 ounces of milk from the bottle and 3 ounces with her breakfast was fine.

obviously we were wrong, but the thing that gets me with posting on here is:

1- if I didn’t care I wouldn’t be asking.
2- I’m obviously asking because I know something isn’t working here.
3- what worked for my 1st isn’t working for my 2nd and that’s ok.
4- websites state 16-24 ounces of milk so I can’t be the only one who has done this.
5- she only turned one a few days ago and it’s only been an issue for a few days - I’m trying to rectify it ASAP.

I’ll start with the 3 meals and a few snacks and I’ll reduce milk intake today and I’ll update on here, in case in the future, other mums are worried about the same thing and don’t want to do their own post in fear of potential mum-shaming. I’ll give her more water and less milk (although she’s not taking her water, she just throws the beaker around so I’ll now worry she’s not getting enough fluid if I drop the milk).

thank you for your advice, I really appreciate it @kirsty2023 x

I think I got upset as I’ve suffered PND and not really been with it this past year as a result. I’m trying my best and I come on here as I see it as a safe-space to ask other mums for advice and some of the responses just got to me. How could my baby be at 91 percentile for weight if I’m not feeding her enough? As someone who’s had PND and already feels like a failure because of this, I also couldn’t breastfeed because of lack of supply and now being told ‘it’s madness’ that I haven’t given her a tea (ummm a massive yoghurt, biscuit, fruit and veggies is a lot for a little tummy) I mean they’re talking like I actually just skip a meal completely when my child eats ALL DAY. I just feel like a constant failure this time around and my hubby is saying we did exactly the same with our last DD and she’s perfectly fine, but perhaps one size doesn’t fit all babies.

@kirsty2023 we didn’t realise we’d made any mistakes with our first as she was always settled and content and when you read online, it states at 1 a child should have 16-24 ounces of cows milk and no more than 24, so we thought 18 ounces of milk from the bottle and 3 ounces with her breakfast was fine.

obviously we were wrong, but the thing that gets me with posting on here is:

1- if I didn’t care I wouldn’t be asking.
2- I’m obviously asking because I know something isn’t working here.
3- what worked for my 1st isn’t working for my 2nd and that’s ok.
4- websites state 16-24 ounces of milk so I can’t be the only one who has done this.
5- she only turned one a few days ago and it’s only been an issue for a few days - I’m trying to rectify it ASAP.

I’ll start with the 3 meals and a few snacks and I’ll reduce milk intake today and I’ll update on here, in case in the future, other mums are worried about the same thing and don’t want to do their own post in fear of potential mum-shaming. I’ll give her more water and less milk (although she’s not taking her water, she just throws the beaker around so I’ll now worry she’s not getting enough fluid if I drop the milk).

thank you for your advice, I really appreciate it @kirsty2023 x

I think I got upset as I’ve suffered PND and not really been with it this past year as a result. I’m trying my best and I come on here as I see it as a safe-space to ask other mums for advice and some of the responses just got to me. How could my baby be at 91 percentile for weight if I’m not feeding her enough? As someone who’s had PND and already feels like a failure because of this, I also couldn’t breastfeed because of lack of supply and now being told ‘it’s madness’ that I haven’t given her a tea (ummm a massive yoghurt, biscuit, fruit and veggies is a lot for a little tummy) I mean they’re talking like I actually just skip a meal completely when my child eats ALL DAY. I just feel like a constant failure this time around and my hubby is saying we did exactly the same with our last DD and she’s perfectly fine, but perhaps one size doesn’t fit all babies.

@kirsty2023 we didn’t realise we’d made any mistakes with our first as she was always settled and content and when you read online, it states at 1 a child should have 16-24 ounces of cows milk and no more than 24, so we thought 18 ounces of milk from the bottle and 3 ounces with her breakfast was fine.

obviously we were wrong, but the thing that gets me with posting on here is:

1- if I didn’t care I wouldn’t be asking.
2- I’m obviously asking because I know something isn’t working here.
3- what worked for my 1st isn’t working for my 2nd and that’s ok.
4- websites state 16-24 ounces of milk so I can’t be the only one who has done this.
5- she only turned one a few days ago and it’s only been an issue for a few days - I’m trying to rectify it ASAP.

I’ll start with the 3 meals and a few snacks and I’ll reduce milk intake today and I’ll update on here, in case in the future, other mums are worried about the same thing and don’t want to do their own post in fear of potential mum-shaming. I’ll give her more water and less milk (although she’s not taking her water, she just throws the beaker around so I’ll now worry she’s not getting enough fluid if I drop the milk).

thank you for your advice, I really appreciate it @kirsty2023 x

I think I got upset as I’ve suffered PND and not really been with it this past year as a result. I’m trying my best and I come on here as I see it as a safe-space to ask other mums for advice and some of the responses just got to me. How could my baby be at 91 percentile for weight if I’m not feeding her enough? As someone who’s had PND and already feels like a failure because of this, I also couldn’t breastfeed because of lack of supply and now being told ‘it’s madness’ that I haven’t given her a tea (ummm a massive yoghurt, biscuit, fruit and veggies is a lot for a little tummy) I mean they’re talking like I actually just skip a meal completely when my child eats ALL DAY. I just feel like a constant failure this time around and my hubby is saying we did exactly the same with our last DD and she’s perfectly fine, but perhaps one size doesn’t fit all babies.

@kirsty2023 we didn’t realise we’d made any mistakes with our first as she was always settled and content and when you read online, it states at 1 a child should have 16-24 ounces of cows milk and no more than 24, so we thought 18 ounces of milk from the bottle and 3 ounces with her breakfast was fine.

obviously we were wrong, but the thing that gets me with posting on here is:

1- if I didn’t care I wouldn’t be asking.
2- I’m obviously asking because I know something isn’t working here.
3- what worked for my 1st isn’t working for my 2nd and that’s ok.
4- websites state 16-24 ounces of milk so I can’t be the only one who has done this.
5- she only turned one a few days ago and it’s only been an issue for a few days - I’m trying to rectify it ASAP.

I’ll start with the 3 meals and a few snacks and I’ll reduce milk intake today and I’ll update on here, in case in the future, other mums are worried about the same thing and don’t want to do their own post in fear of potential mum-shaming. I’ll give her more water and less milk (although she’s not taking her water, she just throws the beaker around so I’ll now worry she’s not getting enough fluid if I drop the milk).

thank you for your advice, I really appreciate it x

I think I got upset as I’ve suffered PND and not really been with it this past year as a result. I’m trying my best and I come on here as I see it as a safe-space to ask other mums for advice and some of the responses just got to me. How could my baby be at 91 percentile for weight if I’m not feeding her enough? As someone who’s had PND and already feels like a failure because of this, I also couldn’t breastfeed because of lack of supply and now being told ‘it’s madness’ that I haven’t given her a tea (ummm a massive yoghurt, biscuit, fruit and veggies is a lot for a little tummy) I mean they’re talking like I actually just skip a meal completely when my child eats ALL DAY. I just feel like a constant failure this time around and my hubby is saying we did exactly the same with our last DD and she’s perfectly fine, but perhaps one size doesn’t fit all babies.

@kirsty2023 we didn’t realise we’d made any mistakes with our first as she was always settled and content and when you read online, it states at 1 a child should have 16-24 ounces of cows milk and no more than 24, so we thought 18 ounces of milk from the bottle and 3 ounces with her breakfast was fine.

obviously we were wrong, but the thing that gets me with posting on here is:

1- if I didn’t care I wouldn’t be asking.
2- I’m obviously asking because I know something isn’t working here.
3- what worked for my 1st isn’t working for my 2nd and that’s ok.
4- websites state 16-24 ounces of milk so I can’t be the only one who has done this.
5- she only turned one a few days ago and it’s only been an issue for a few days - I’m trying to rectify it ASAP.

I’ll start with the 3 meals and a few snacks and I’ll reduce milk intake today and I’ll update on here, in case in the future, other mums are worried about the same thing and don’t want to do their own post in fear of potential mum-shaming. I’ll give her more water and less milk (although she’s not taking her water, she just throws the beaker around so I’ll now worry she’s not getting enough fluid if I drop the milk).

thank you for your advice, I really appreciate it x

I think I got upset as I’ve suffered PND and not really been with it this past year as a result. I’m trying my best and I come on here as I see it as a safe-space to ask other mums for advice and some of the responses just got to me. How could my baby be at 91 percentile for weight if I’m not feeding her enough? As someone who’s had PND and already feels like a failure because of this, I also couldn’t breastfeed because of lack of supply and now being told ‘it’s madness’ that I haven’t given her a tea (ummm a massive yoghurt, biscuit, fruit and veggies is a lot for a little tummy) I mean they’re talking like I actually just skip a meal completely when my child eats ALL DAY. I just feel like a constant failure this time around and my hubby is saying we did exactly the same with our last DD and she’s perfectly fine, but perhaps one size doesn’t fit all babies.

That’s a lot of milk, reduce it and encourage more food. You can offer supper too if needed.

👏

@kirsty2023 OMG I’m so sorry - my phone went mad and posted like a billion times 😂
@DustyLee123 thank you - I’m going to do this today. I have a new daily plan made for her with 3 main meals, 2 snacks, less milk and encouraging water intake. Fingers crossed it’ll work. Thanks for the way you responded as well… really felt neutral and lacking any judgement and that means so much to me, as I’ve been really struggling this time around.

Oh do fuck off

Glad you've had some helpful advice, OP :)

Not what the thread is about but breastmilk is still hugely beneficial after age 1. A child’s immune system isn’t fully developed until they’re several years old, they are designed to have their immune system supported by breast milk for the early years.

Anyway OP it’s a funny time as they start to progress from baby to toddler. Some baby’s are also much more milk oriented than others. At 12mo my DS was having 3 meals a day, 3 bottles if breast milk, 2 breastfeeds at atleast 3 bottles of cows milk in the night. 🙈

After a few months we’d reduced the daytime bottles to 1, around 18 months he dropped the day bottle completely and put it down to 1 breastfeed. A few months later we night weaned.

Now at almost 2 he has one bottle of milk at bedtime and a breastfeed in the morning, if he asks for a cup of milk in the day we give him one.

I know that we need to work on loosing the night time bottle especially if we want to potty train over night and the morning breastfeed will probably go at some point over the next few months as I’m pregnant with our second.

Yet I have friends who around age 1 their baby’s just stopped being bothered about milk at all. They’re all different

Your little one will get there.

You dont need to drastically drop the milk you offer especially if she's used to having a larger amount. It can be done more gradually as you add in more solid foods. She's only 1 so you have plenty of time.

From nhs:

Whole cows' milk can be given as a main drink from the age of 1.

Whole milk and full-fat dairy products are a good source of calcium, which helps your child build bones and keep teeth healthy.

They also contain vitamin A, which helps the body resist infections and is needed for healthy skin and eyes.

Try to give your child at least 350ml (12oz) of milk a day, or 2 servings of foods made from milk, such as cheese, yoghurt or fromage frais.

I'm not sure why swapping to Cow's milk would make her more unsettled. Perhaps she's digesting it more quickly?

I think you're right to start reducing the milk gradually and introducing an evening meal.

The PP who said it's recommended that they have 300 ml of full fat cows milk a day is correct but if she's particularly tall, she may be growing more quickly and she may need a little more.

Personally I'd start giving her a multivitamin, if you haven't already and look at getting a bit more protein and good fats in her diet. You haven't done anything wrong but there always a few tweaks with everything isn't there?

This guide from the Caroline Walker Trust is good as it gives portion sizes and suggested menus.

And I hope you're getting some support for your PND too @CutiePatooties.

Please don't feel guilty about how BFing worked out either. Often when Women say that they couldn't BF because of a lack of supply what they mean is they had a lack of support and were made to feel like they were at fault. Unless you're the rare 1in a million Women who genuinely couldn't produce enough milk then I suspect that you've also suffered with a huge lack of support when you were trying to establish BFing