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Weaning reflux babies. What are your experiences?

23 replies

YellowFeathers · 03/11/2006 09:59

Ds is only 10 weeks atm but he suffers quite badly with reflux.
He has the Enfamil formula which helps a little bit but obviously he still vomits.

Yesterday my HV started talking to me about weaning which kind of took me aback. I was all for waiting till 6 months but I have heard alot about weaning actually helping the reflux pass.
The HV invited me to weaning talk later in the month and also said that under normal circumstances she would encourage mums to wait till 6 months but because of the reflux she said to start at 16 weeks if we both feel ready for it.
Its not help I need with it, I have a dd who I weaned successfully at 16 weeks but recommendations have chaged now and dealing with the reflux on top has thrown me slightly.

So has anyone got any success stories about weaning earlier? Did it make a difference to the reflux, i.e. disappear?

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YellowFeathers · 03/11/2006 14:20

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LIZS · 03/11/2006 14:26

We weaned breastfed dd at around 20 weeks but tbh it made her reflux worse if anything, sorry. It also coincided with her becoming more mobile so things that helped previously like sitting her upright after feeds became less effective. It only really improved when she began to walk. In the meantime we had lot of technicoloured vomit to deal with.

YellowFeathers · 03/11/2006 14:33

Oh dear!
Actually, I'm kind of glad you said that as its what I was thinking. It makes sense really. If they are more active like you say, its easier for them to vomit.

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CanSickWillSick · 03/11/2006 14:36

My DD has silent reflux, so we began weaning her around 21 weeks. It did help, but the reflux didn't just disappear overnight. She still uses gaviscon now at almost 9 months.

16 weeks sounds so early to wean. Why not split the diff if you can't decide and do it around 21 weeks too?

CanSickWillSick · 03/11/2006 14:37

Oh, my name has nothing to do with the reflux btw - DD just has a sicky bug at the mo!

YellowFeathers · 03/11/2006 14:56

lol at the name.

I did want to wait. Tbh if he doesnt seem ready then I see no point anyway.
I just thought that if people were saying that there was a marked difference when weaning then I would possibly do it at 16 weeks.

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littlepiggie · 04/11/2006 22:31

ds has reflux, started weaning a few weeks ago, it has made very little, if any difference, just bits of food in his sick. (blw)

taylormama · 05/11/2006 16:34

My DS has silent reflux and i discussed early weaning with his consultant who advised me not to. Weaning doesn't necessarily help immediately ... i would say that as your DS gets older and more upright you may well notice a difference anyway. I was very wary of weaning etc because of DS's reflux and didn't want to do anything to aggravate it like giving him food to early. I have just started weaning DS at 22 weeks and we are taking it v v v slowly and his reflux is same as ever. I would carry on with enfamil and any other meds and i am sure you will see a difference without giving food. IMHO HVs do not know too much about reflux (forgive me if you have an enlightened HV BTW).

hotpot · 05/11/2006 18:04

Hello YellowFeathers

My DS2 is also on Enfamil AR - I haven't found anyone else whose child is on it!!! We get it on prescription. Although my DS is a bit older at 24 weeks.

We were advised by paediatrician to try weaning at 17 weeks (DS1 was weaned at 17 weeks as that was the advice at the time and again he was a reflux baby no medication though, he sicked and it never bothered him!) didn't do anything for DS1 so he still sicked up so multicoloured sick. I bought a VAX carpet cleaner

DS2 - we gave him some potato and sweet potato at 18 weeks because of the starch which, according to community nurse would help, we found it really made no difference.

We have sporadically given him food at different times in the day to see if it made any difference, several days of weaning and then none, and apart from the fact that he looooovvvveeeeesssss food it hasn't stopped him sicking up.

As you have found, the enfamil didn't stop him sicking up it just meant he now does it without screaming in pain and it isn't like sicking up normal or thickened formula.

I am weaning properly in a few weeks time when he will be 26 weeks.

As long as your DS has lost tongue sticking out reflex at 17 weeks you could try him and see.

Loll34 · 05/11/2006 19:44

My dd has pretty bad reflux; I held out on the solids until 6 months because I have read that it can make them more acid, plus it seems to work for some but not others and didn't seem worth the risk of overloading an already delicate tum.

Initially, dd DID get more acid indigestion but her reflux has now pretty much cleared up (at 7 1/2 months). Frankly, adding the hassle of solids to your day is a thing you want to delay for as long as possible anyway!

glamourbadger · 06/11/2006 13:25

Hi YellowFeather

You have my sympathies - my twins have suffered with reflux and are also on a prescribed formula along with Gaviscon, ranitidine and domperidone.

Good news is weaning has had a really positive effect. We starting weaning a month ago at a corrected age of 4 months (actual age 6 months - they were 2 months prem). We were advised to do so by the pediatric dietition we see at the hospital and I was also rather sceptical - they are little babies and rarely hungry, even for milk.

Introducing food has really helped in all aspects. They no longer scream and arch their back when they have their milk and seem to be getting hungrier for their feeds. I feel like we are making some progress after months of desperate hospital visits and little weight gain!

Sitting them up has also helped - the only time I ever lay them down now is to sleep and gravity seems to have a positive effect

Good luck with it! I think the main cure for reflux is just time but it's been a rather long and frustrating journey...

YellowFeathers · 06/11/2006 13:37

Awww GB, and twins too!

Hotpot, we have the Enfamil on prescription too thankfully. I think we'd be bankrupt if we had to buy it. Having said that our local chemists have to order it in. Is it the same for you?

We have been refered to the hospital as one of the paeds there is a bit of an expert with reflux. We have seen her once already and are due to go back in a week, so I think I'll have a good natter with her about the weaning.

The thing is, is if he doesnt seem ready for weaning then I dont see the point in trying. I really dont want to create food battles this early

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littlepiggie · 06/11/2006 20:11

Have you tilted his cot?
We would also sit ds in a bounce chair some of the time he was awake, seemed to relax more than when been held.

YellowFeathers · 07/11/2006 07:18

Oh yeah, LP. We tilt everything
Its very strange his reflux. He normally has a bout of good days where he doesnt vomit at all and then he has bad days when all he does is throw up!

I think bedtimes will worry me more when he starts weaning.
I was told that babies naturally move their head to the side if they vomit whilst laying on their backs but ds hasnt. So i can only presume it will be worse if hes eating foods too.

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hotpot · 07/11/2006 22:02

Hi YellowFeathers

We ring the pharmacy at the same time we drop off the request for the repeat prescription and then they know to get 10 tins in!!! They know us now

We checked to see that he had lost that tongue reflex, basically if you put a spoon in their mouth they push it back out, until they lose that, it would be a losing battle.

DS2 is about to be weaned properly although I gave him 4 cubes of butternut squash tonight at 4pm and he wolfed it down so I gave him some of his brothers petit filou and he ate loads of that too! He is certainly ready.

His problem has always been that he loves water more than milk. I think it is from when he used to sick up and need to drink lots of water to take the acid out of his throat so he is still on 5 bottles of 7oz feeds.

Got him weighed today and at last his weight is following the curve on the centiles. Previously he was gaining but not as much as he should have been. Spoke to the HV and community nurse about weaning and in a couple of weeks he should be on 3 meals and just mushed no puree!!!! Will keep you posted. Good luck with the paediatrician, mine was great (Bupa Leeds) he was against medication as DS2 was gaining weight so wanted to try the milk first.

I found it hard to find anyone else who was on Enfamil!!! I only know of you and one other baby (well she is now 15 months)

glamourbadger glad to hear yours was a positive experience, gives me hope. It is awful when they are in pain, you just feel so helpless. DS2 sits unaided but still lolls to the side or back but is getting there. We bought a bumbo to keep him upright from 3 months!!

CountTo10 · 07/11/2006 22:12

Here have a look at this thread

Early Weaning with Reflux

glamourbadger · 08/11/2006 13:22

It's comforting to hear I'm not the only one going through this - wish I had posted something on MN sooner.

I stopped going to Mum and baby groups as everyone used to stare at me. Trying to feed two screaming and writhing babies that look like they are being tortured was a nightmare and I got sick of having to explain to everyone what was wrong. I also got fed up with everyone telling me their baby also had reflux - the baby would take a 9oz bottle and produce a small posset!

We've had months of traumatic feeds but from the week we started weaning it improved and has slowly got better. Both babies now take 7oz feeds with v little fuss and most of it stays down!

I've bought, borrowed and been given various things to keep them upright - a door bouncer (excellent), walker, swinging chair, bumbo, highchairs etc.

YellowFeathers · 08/11/2006 20:00

Hotpot, are you a fellow yorkshire mum?
I'm glad you've mentioned the tongue reflex thing. I will keep an eye on that. Atm ds will push the bottle out with his tongue when he has had enough.

GB, it makes me pmsl when I feed ds and he dribbles a bit out of his mouth. They say "OMG he's been sick"!!! If only they knew
Glad that your little ones are getting better anyway.

CT10, thank you for the link. I will have a read.

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hotpot · 08/11/2006 20:03

glamourbadger bless you, went through same thing, DS2 would only take 3ozs at a time, constantly posset and then a few hours later take the other 3ozs. It meant at 16 weeks old I was doing 10-12 feeds a day.

Hence when he was weighed by paediatrician and declared "thriving" I nearly cried. Yes of course he was thriving because I was feeding him throughout the day and night so he could keep his weight up!! I had bags that could hold your christmas shopping in under my eyes. At one stage I was so tired I couldn't actually string a sentence together.

Am now paying cost, he sleeps in his bed at night (raised of course) but in the day still uses me as a bed as I could keep him upright when he slept and sicked up. Plus I could settle him quite quickly with some water which he would - you guessed it - throw up. This would repeat until his eyes rolled to the back of his head and he slept as he was utterly exhausted.

I don't know how you did it with twins, total respect!

I only discovered MN about 2 month ago!!! I know, shame on me!

foxinsocks · 08/11/2006 20:08

well done all of you and glamourbadger with twins, much respect!

my two both had reflux and I remember that feeling in playgroups glamourbadger - I actually wish mumsnet had been around then because there was so little info or support out there for parents of babies with reflux.

Early weaning never worked for us (I think I said it on the other thread) but in our case, the reflux was complicated by proper food allergies.

Anyway, to give you some hope (!) my two are now 6 and nearly 5 and although they still have the capacity to vomit at the drop of a hat (especially when they have heavy colds and are full of mucus) - we haven't had any serious reflux problems really since dd was around 1ish and ds just before he was 1.

It does end - I promise. It feels like a never ending cycle but it really does get better! Good luck to you all.

littlepiggie · 08/11/2006 22:47

the amout of sick is not a good indictor of how bad reflux is, little bits of sick all the time will do more damage than one or two projectile type ones.
Ds mostly only did cottage cheese sick (stopped when started gaviscon abou 2 months ago) but it was still coming up ifswim, He was admitted to hospital after throwing up blood a couple of weeks ago.

MummyPig · 08/11/2006 23:28

In my experience hv's (and doctors too) are used to telling people to wean refluxing babies early, but it's not necessarily based on any good research. Ds2 had silent reflux and the hv even wrote in his red book that I would start him on baby rice once a day, when I had no intention of doing so. I stuck it out until 6 months and was happy that I had waited.

There was a review article in 2002 pointing out that many of the nonpharmacological and nonsurgical measures recommended for managing reflux actually haven't been shown to make any difference to the level of reflux (as measured by pH probes etc.). Sorry if this is depressing but if we're going to make changes to try and improve our lives as parents of refluxers, we might as well make sure the changes are the right ones.

And although introduction of solid food may make the reflux easier to deal with by reducing the amount of puke, the acid can still affect the oesophagus. Another (more recent) paper concluded that the presence or absence of vomiting doesn't predict how much oesophagal damage there is.

Yes, I found playgroups difficult too. People can be so dismissive of reflux. I started to call it 'severe reflux' but even then, no-one really understood what we were going through. And the weight gain thing really is a double-edged sword, isn't it? I was 'lucky' that ds2's weight gain dropped so rapidly the medical profesionals had to take notice of us. But after that, when he was doing really badly and hadn't put on any more weight, they were very reluctant to up the doses of any drugs, even if I said they weren't working properly at the current dose. Because the dosage was linked to his weight, of course, and given that the drugs aren't licensed for infants in any case, the doctors were very wary of using high doses. I got the best result when I spoke to our paediatrician's secretary with ds2 screaming in the background - and she only had to put up with less than a minute of it, compared to god knows how much in every 24 hours of our day.

There are some good international web-based discussion groups for parents of kids with reflux. I've found the infantreflux.org forums good, and Yahoo!groups breastfeedingreflux , and the PAGER newsletter is also useful for keeping up to date with the latest developments. So even if your real-life community doesn't provide much help, you can get online support. It makes so much difference knowing that others understand what you are going through.

Hope some of this helps

fussymummy · 10/11/2006 00:40

My youngest had reflux until about a year old.

At the time my HV advised using SMA STAYDOWN milk.

We'd tried gaviscon, but this was loads better.

Still had sick days, but not as many as before the new milk.

I weaned her at about 4 months and this helped.

Also remember to give smaller feeds, but more frequently.

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